ElementreeMay 2007Yeah he's good...
Spy...i'm just about to hit up Derde's...took a look on my way home from work and it's gonna cook...
P.S...have a good day at work!!!
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
Elementree, thats not right!!! You're sampling 3erde's sweet goodies while we're stuck in our stodgey offices wishing?!?!.....then again who can blame you, 3erde's has been delivering the rampy goods lately.....enjoy!
Spy Dude
May 2007
Marthinus
May 2007
Why is this being posted on a bodyboarding forum? This is of absolutely zero interest to me. Why would we as bodyboarder want to give surfers any credit at all, if jordy smith was a bodyboarder, do u think any surfer would tone this credit to him on a surfing forum? HELL NO!! i dont care who this guy is, where he's from, what he's doing, where he's going and i'm definitely not waisting my bandwidth on him, he's a SURFER!
ChilternburtMay 2007umm bro calm down, its people with an attitude towards others like that, that gives sport a bad name... bro i dont think its wrong to show a FELLOW COUNTRYMAN who is gonna do big things for SA sport.. imagine if he wins the title, like Andre' did.. it will give media comverage and make other surfing / bodyboarding brands support SA riders more, in the end we all win...
just cause he is better than you doesnt make him BAD!
hugh grant
May 2007
Chilternburt wrote
"just cause he is better than you doesn't make him BAD!"
(How the hell do I quote people)
Hitler was brilliant at killing people, suppose that does not make him bad!!
I have personally surfed with ol Smithy and he is a twit.. he does not give a rates arse about boogers, so why should we respect him!!
He drops in on most bodyboarders and does not have the balls to stand up to them afterwards, he gets his friends to "protect him"!!
I agree 100% with Mr. Botha, why support a negative influence in our sport..
No matter how much he rips, it will never ever benefit even one of us!!
(I still love you though Chilternburt)[/quote]
Marthinus
May 2007
hugh grant wrote:
Chilternburt wrote
"just cause he is better than you doesn't make him BAD!"
(How the hell do I quote people)
Hitler was brilliant at killing people, suppose that does not make him bad!!
I have personally surfed with ol Smithy and he is a twit.. he does not give a rates arse about boogers, so why should we respect him!!
He drops in on most bodyboarders and does not have the balls to stand up to them afterwards, he gets his friends to "protect him"!!
I agree 100% with Mr. Botha, why support a negative influence in our sport..
No matter how much he rips, it will never ever benefit even one of us!!
(I still love you though Chilternburt)
Nathan my guy, u know where i'm comming form!!
I never see u when i come to mossies bro, me and pipi were there the whole long wknd but u where in margate, adam told me all the stories! hahah u legend... u should have seen wat we did to craig on monday night!! hahaaha.. keep it random.
Marthinus
May 2007
Chilternburt, i dont see how the hell it will benefit bodyboarders if he wins a 'big title', let me tell you something, in this country there is no such thing as a "surfing / bodyboarding company", you get surfing companys on the one hand and then you get bodyboarding companys on the other, surfing companys weighing down tha scale completly. This should be general knowlage unless you've been living under a rock for the last five years. Say old Jordy manages to win a title or two, if anything, like u said it will bring more surfing companies to SA, thus resulting in even more negativity and disrespect towards the sport of bodyboarding!
Not once did say he was "BAD" either, maybe you got the wrong message, what i said was that im not going to support or give credit to surfing in general or any surfers in any way, ESPECIALLY not on a bodyboarding forum until they clean up their act of disrespecting and degrading bodyboarders as well as liquidate companies like VOLCOM (which will never happen)
And just for the record Andre is my cousin and after him being dropped by his main sponsor, Billabong (just after wining the title for the second time) for no reason other than Billabong cleaning up their team of bodyboarders (that got a salary the fraction of the what their top surfers were earning) to make room for more surfers... In other words i think Andre would as wel, tone zero compensation towards surfers, surfing companies etc.. How could he after they screwd him over so badly and ultimately stopped his career as a professional bodyboarder in its tracks...
Put that in your pipe and smoke it buddy..
ElementreeMay 2007 Ah politics!
Give credit where it's due!
I fear that with all my gloating earlier the swell had turned to mush by the time i got down to 3rd...serves me right...Spy you must have put a ninja curse on me or something! None the less i had a good sleep only to wake and find the wind has dropped, the swell is jacking...so i'm off to give it a bash!
Spy Dude
May 2007
martinus... 3 words (and they may be misspelt cos i cant spell to save my life)
1) Chip
2) on
3) Shoulder
Dude it might be of no interest to you... and just like them hustler mags in the plastic, dont read it if you dont want to be offeneded.
Dude we are all surfers... my post was just about showing respect to a fellow waterman... dude can you see what that oke is doing its totally mad??
tell you what.. i will post a little background on Jordy.
Spy Dude
May 2007
1| HOT 100 MEN Jordy Smith
Birthday: February 11, 1988
Hometown: Durban, South Africa
He's the first South African since Martin Potter to be considered a viable world title contender, and growing up in the burgeoning talent pool of Durban's New Pier has only honed the powerful young regular-footer's competitive nature. At 19 years old, he already boasts a winning record against WCT competitors, besting Andy Irons and Fred Patacchia in Hawaii, and Taj Burrow, Taylor Knox, and Timmy Reyes at the Billabong Pro South Africa last year. “I was really impressed this winter,†says Andy Irons. “He's surfing like a man. He really stepped his game up, and still has a level head, which is good to see.†He's won ISA and ASP world junior titles, was named Triple Crown Rookie of the Year in 2006, and almost qualified for the World Championship Tour after surfing only a handful of events. If you're the astrological type, consider the fact that he even shares a birthday with Kelly Slater. But most impressive of all is the respect he's garnered throughout this process. “He surfs with flow and simplicity,†describes good friend and soon-to-be rival Julian Wilson. “He has this super laid back approach, but still puts all the big moves together.†Today, jumping on the WQS, making a full-time push at the WCT, it's becoming more and more evident that Jordy Smith will be sit at the top of his class for years to come.
Spy Dude
May 2007
Get it?
Got it?
Gooooooooooood!!!!
now go smoke a bifta and relax bru.
Stephan Becker
May 2007
haha, 1st time i've seen so many replies to a topic in such a short time
and to think they're talking about a surfer, tisk tisk tisk...
I don't know him as a person so I can't give my opinion on that but its obvious that he's good at what he does. But I'll stay out of the rage seeing as I don't know anything
Mwhaha
chow,
stef
hugh grant
May 2007
Right Spydude!! you Analise Jordy, I'll do Hitler!!
Adolf Hitler was born on April 20, 1889, the fourth child of Alois Schickelgruber and Klara Hitler in the Austrian town of Braunau. Adolf's dream was to enter the priesthood and he was described as a lovely young man. According to John Toland's biography, Adolf Hitler, two of his closest friends at this time were Jewish, and he admired Jewish art dealers and Jewish operatic performers and producers. Hitler went to prison for 9months for trying to rally up civilians to fight for what he deemed was right. Once released from prison, Hitler decided to seize power constitutionally rather than by force of arms, he was indeed viewed as a peaceful man.
Hitler even went as far as to state: "We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people."
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf.
Apart from seemingly being such a great man, ol Hitler had a wicked mustache and sick hairstyle!!
Now that we have established that Hitler and Jordy are such great men, maybe we should also try bring Mugabe into power in south africa, hell, I'll even vote for Bush!!
Sorry Spy, no matter how hard you look at it, Jordy Smith is not a poitive influence in our sport and we should boycott him!!
Aweh!!
Marthinus
May 2007
Spy Dude wrote:
martinus... 3 words (and they may be misspelt cos i cant spell to save my life)
1) Chip
2) on
3) Shoulder
Dude it might be of no interest to you... and just like them hustler mags in the plastic, dont read it if you dont want to be offeneded.
Dude we are all surfers... my post was just about showing respect to a fellow waterman... dude can you see what that oke is doing its totally mad??
tell you what.. i will post a little background on Jordy.
Get real man, did you completly miss Mr. Wood's post or something?!?!
Before you even read on, scroll up, read it and then rethink what you have just posted!
Its quite clear that the oke is not to as passionate about bodyboarding or towards bodyboarder as most of you may have believed/ wanted him to be...
He hates you, so why do you still respect and give credit to him??
"HOT 100 MEN", i dunno what the hell you reading bro but it doesnt sound safe...
Like i said before, i dont care when his birthday is, i dont care how good he is and i dont care where he's from, to most bodyboarders that are truly dedicated and loyal towards bodyboarding he's just another surfer, thats doing more bad than good towards bodyboardings image.
jbs
May 2007
debate aside...he busted an ARS at the end
hugh grant
May 2007
"HOT 100 MEN."
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!
good God Spy!!
You sounding a bit like the Boland crew!!(no offense, I really like every single one of the Boland crew, Except maybe Luan Wessels, hah.)
No but seriously, What are you reading??
hugh grant
May 2007
And to Jbs, he fell on the ARS!!
I'll be impressed when he lands a Glorf!!
Spy Dude
May 2007
holy cow........
dude......
wow
worked up is an understatement...
u seriously hate surfers...., thats a serious bummer!
wow.
i respect anyone who rips.
booger, surfers, skater, goat boater, kite surfer.
Dude life is too short to get worked up over trivial issues.
I am learning this everyday.
Keep an open mind, dont limit yourself through selfish choises, smile and be nice to strangers.
Oh and that Hot 100 Men thingy.. i was copying and pasting out ouf wavescape.... martinus seems to be a little in the dark who Jordy Smith is.
Oh ya i have traded waves with jordy too.. at elands nogal, and he was nothing short of a perfect gentlemen in the water, on most of his waves i was happy to sit in the channel and just watch, the oke is going to be the next world champ. He never dropped in on me. it was just smiles and happy dayz.
JBS them stand ups call an ARS a rodeo flip.
End of the day its a sick Video clip...
Marthinus
May 2007
Spy Dude wrote:
Oh and that Hot 100 Men thingy.. i was copying and pasting out ouf wavescape.... martinus seems to be a little in the dark who Jordy Smith is
Hahahahaha... you still dont get it do you..
I know EXACTLY who jordy smith is... You are assuming i don't, because i show no interest in him and "how he rips".
Why should i? he's a surfer, not a bodyboarder... You can't mix apples and bannans, cant u remember that from primary school maths?
Dude, you have to take in what you read, coz seriously, from all your replies it seems you really aren't comprehending anything that i have posted besides the "Hot 100 Men thingy"..
scroffmeister
May 2007
I bodyboard and surf , does that make me a worse bodyboarder or a better surfer? Not sure, I buy the surf mags and I buy the bodyboarding mags , I really dont care what sport someone would prefer over another , if I see some in the water that rips then so be it, whatever the type of board they ride if he happens to dislike bodyboarding or is a bodyboarder that dislikes surfing doesnt matter to me in the least, I love both.My wife surfs should i become a total knob towards her in the water because I am bodyboarding? Dont think so. Jordy Smith rips, whether he is a knob towards bodyboarders doesnt concern me at all.
But hey, Im just a old kook that sits on the fence.
byron777
May 2007
sheez,loving this topic.my opinion is that jordy deserves to be talked about on a site like this.he freakin rips,sponsors and politics aside this guy is going to be world champ.
as bodyboarders we got to look at the way surfers are pushing the envelope so we dont fall behind,because at this time we are way behind surfers in charging big waves.This leads me to this question,Is mike Stewarts wave at jaws still the biggest ever ridden by a bodyboarder?big wave surfing is only for surfers.someone prove me wrong.
ElementreeMay 2007 Adolf Hitler-Jordy Smith...not even in the same boat...humm hugh!
I'm with Spy on this issue...if he rips-say it! Who cares whether he surfs, skates or shags sheep...like i have said before-give credit where it is due.
Sure a lot of surfers are prats, but so too are many bodyboarders, kneeboarders, paddle ski'ers...so on and so on.
I don't care whether or not he's a good person-after all i'm not looking to marry the guy. I just want to see someone pushing the limits irrespective of what sport he partakes in.
The majority of guys i ride with are surfers-none diss bodyboarding. They too are stoked to see boogers taking off deep, getting pitted off our nuts and coming up smiling after a beating.
Bodyboarding by nature is a more aggressive sport than surfing...where as surfers focus on the fluidity of moves and cleaness of ride - we on the other hand just want to bust the shite out of anything that moves.
I love bodyboarding, i love the aggression, the amp and the beatings...i also love watching surfers, skaters etc...ripping...kitesurfing....i dunno!
Why can't we all just get along?
hugh grant
May 2007
Elementree, we all cant get along because its a very mean world!!
Scroffmeister, Give up surfing, surfer chicks are hot though..
Mr. Botha, apples and Banana's can get along, but only in fruit salad!!
Next oke who wants to argue with me is going to get a beating, Because I have strong opinions on subjects I know little about!! Handbags at dawn Bitches!!
(Jordy sucks, finished and kla.)
Marthinus
May 2007
Elementree wrote:
Adolf Hitler-Jordy Smith...not even in the same boat...humm hugh!
I'm with Spy on this issue...if he rips-say it! Who cares whether he surfs, skates or shags sheep...like i have said before-give credit where it is due.
Sure a lot of surfers are prats, but so too are many bodyboarders, kneeboarders, paddle ski'ers...so on and so on.
I don't care whether or not he's a good person-after all i'm not looking to marry the guy. I just want to see someone pushing the limits irrespective of what sport he partakes in.
The majority of guys i ride with are surfers-none diss bodyboarding. They too are stoked to see boogers taking off deep, getting pitted off our nuts and coming up smiling after a beating.
Bodyboarding by nature is a more aggressive sport than surfing...where as surfers focus on the fluidity of moves and cleaness of ride - we on the other hand just want to bust the shite out of anything that moves.
I love bodyboarding, i love the aggression, the amp and the beatings...i also love watching surfers, skaters etc...ripping...kitesurfing....i dunno!
Why can't we all just get along?
Why respet someone that doesnt respect you in the least? And im not talking about your stand up friends down at the beach im talking about the big companys and the surfing industry in general, i've also got a fair amount of friends that are stand-ups and get along with them just fine but thats not the point, there is a much, much bigger picture behind it all..
You people that are saying that there is nothing wrong with supporting surfing, even on a bodyboarding forum, you are more than likely the ones that buy products like VOLCOM, saying "i dont care what i ware as long as it looks good" coz thats basicaly what you are saying about sport, for that matter i bet not one of you even know the story behind vol kom..
Eather you ous are on the wrong site and thought this was
http://www.cleanlinesurf.com/surf-forums/ or i am just a tad more passionate and loyal towards my sport..
I DO NOT OWN, EVEN ONE PIECE OF COTHING MADE BY, BILLABONG, VOLCOM, QUICKSILVER, RUSTY, ONIELL, OR ANY OTHER SURFING BRAND!!!
I can virtually GARUNTEE that not one of you can say the same! Im begging someone for the sake of even a mi-nute light at the end of this very long tunnel that bodyboarding is facing to the prove me wrong!!
It is very easy to say "Why can't we all just get along?" but its not as simple as that, there are reasons for everything, why we dont get along, why your industry is in the state it is, etc.. We are the under dogs, just like rollerblading is to skateboarding, thats why no one should ever look at the two different sports as the same thing (coz naturally one has got to be better than the other therfore resulting in the other one being looked down apon), that was tried back in they day when ZigZag publisised a bodyboarding magazine, it simply did not work out..
If bodyboarders continue to support surfing brands the sport is going NOWARE!!
The really sad thing is, like a said before, most bodyboarder just couldnt care less what they buy as long as it looks good. Thats all that matters, right?
hugh grant
May 2007
Well said Mr. Botha!!
byron777
May 2007
i dont have any surf brand clothing,i buy my clothes from factory7 and rip curl. ,this whole debate is blown way out of proprtion.jordy rips thats what spydude was trying to say.if you dont want to watch his clip on surfline then dont.
Marthinus
May 2007
byron777 wrote:
i dont have any surf brand clothing,i buy my clothes from factory7 and rip curl
GOOD FOR U MAN! So there is some hope afterall.. (assuming you arent just taking us for a ride..) haha jokes man...
Spydude says Jordy rips, I say, I dont give a ***** what Jordy does.
This is what forums are for afterall...
Its just that this type of behaviour / exesive positive attitude towards surfing / not being 100% bodyboarding orientated / always baking surfers up, is usually the root of the age old delma.. U know, the whole "support companys that support bodyboarding" that no one really takes seriously
Peter Lambert
May 2007
Wow what a fun emo topic! yay! First let me claim utter ignorance on the subject of Jordy, I've never met him, or even watched him surf. And I never botherd to go check out his ars. Don't get me wrong, I like watching any wave rider rip, thats why I went on the XXL site last week and watched saffa Andrew Marr's wave at dungons, and some other standup get a 5x overhead tow in tube at perto escondito. Its always cool to be stoked for our fellow counrymen, unless, (and the whole point of this post)... they are dicks who hate bodyboarders. My very acompished friend who standups, kites and boogies always is saying "give respect to gain respect" and this rings true. If a surfer rips and has a good attitude, then I will give him respect, if they hate us as bodyboarders, then why get amped on, or premote their riding? Us boogies need to stick together, push the boundaries of performance, and not be sheep.
Dane
May 2007
Just a little info for Byron777,
I don't know if you have seen the Bodyboarding DVD Leroy, but in this video is probably the biggest wave I have ever seen ridden by a bodyboarder! It the crazy Aussie bruthas that surf a spot on the East Coast of Oz! Go check it out, its freaking amazing. The whole big wave thing just for stand-ups is a 50/50 debate, because there are lotsa comparisons! i.e Cyclops in "the road" etc...
Shweeeet,
Dane
scroffmeister
May 2007
Sorry well I guess I am not a true bodyboarder, I do unfortunalty own clothes made by Billabong, ONeil and Rip Curl. Support the companies that support bodyboarding, oh right like you mean all the people that supported Jason Boddy and his money he spent on the Cave Rock contest and the importing of movement mags into the country, I see Factory7 still have stock of them and that was a YEAR ago. I mean I live 10 000 miles from South Africa, yet I got my copy from Factory7. So support the companies that support bodyboarding , yeah sure I do but since I surf aswel hell I might aswel support some of those companies at the same time. I dont hate bodyboarders, I dont hate surfers, I dont expect everyone to get along but maybe bodyboarding should really spend less time worrying about what surfers are getting up to and just concentrate on the boogs and their own affairs, politics is such a waste of time and pretty pointless.
byron777
May 2007
yo dane,thanks for the reply.i've got the road dvd,the cyclops section is heavy,but thats it, its just freakin heavy.im talking about size here.mike stewarts wave at jaws was way bigger than any of that on leroy aswell.
when will bodyboarders start charging dungeons,mavericks,jaws etc?...those are the spots that offer size.
May 2007
Its a cool clip and he's busting bigger than most bodyboarders, thats all that I found a little depressing.
ElementreeMay 2007 Fair comment Marthinus...
I understand and agree with a lot of what you are saying-wait until the new mag comes out then you'll see what i mean.
Peace...
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
Freakin awesome debate lads.....!!! Here's some more fuel for the fire.......
I've always been a bodyboarder and always will be, but I USED to surf as well. I've paddeled out on a surf board and been greeted and traded waves and paddled out on a sponge AT THE SAME SPOT and been dropped in on......you figure that one out.
I grew up in Durbs and as a grom suffered abuse at the hands of stand-ups (my buddy surfed so we'd paddle out at Bay). As a laaitie, a grom of 12, in the water with my bro, I've had punches thrown at me just for riding a sponge, even rocks thrown at me from the pier.....so ja, over the years I've basically surfed from Umchlanga to Elands and most stand ups have the same metality towards BBers....So weather they rip or not, we should give them no place here on sixty-40, unless it's a clip of a sweet wipe-out to make us laugh...we the BBing community need to keep it clean here.....It's always great to see a fellow SA doing well for themselves, but to give a stand-up space here on OUR forum....hell no-ways! cause they DEF. don't give any of our guys ANY props on their sites.....I doubt if you'll ever see a person on waves***e saying, "Hey I Bodyboard as well, check out this clip of Jared Houston, he rips, he's gonna be the next world champ".....not likely hey guys.....I can't believe I even registered on that rubbish site.....
I do own a few surf brands, but they're old now and I certainly won't be buying anymore "SURF" brands, after what was said to Brandon Foster by an "industry honcho" and what was done to Andre Botha and even what Gotcha and O'neil did to Mike Stewart back in the day......they can kiss my white, spongy polypro......support those companies who support our sport...simple.
Basically I'll go for a wave with my buddies no matter what they're on (well exept a kayak, not that any of my bro's would EVER do that and besides having friggin canoo's in the lineup is just wong....) and thats that.
If a BBer wants to surf as well, great, nothing wrong with that, but just don't start blurring the line between the 2......especially here on our site....
Bodyboarding in NOT surfing........WE DON'T SURF, WE B-O-D-Y-B-O-A-R-D.
SSSSWWWOOOOOSSHHHHHH I can see the flames.......
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
Oop's....how doff is this....
"so ja, over the years I've basically surfed from Umchlanga to Elands"...."SURFED" ha ha ha I just contridicted myself.......
and I just replyed to myself.......weird, does this mean now I'm typing to myself.......
i.....hear.......voices......and.....they......don't......like......you....
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
hugh grant
May 2007
Yeah!! are you typing to yourself?? you and Spy-dude need help!!
Well said Mr. Petzer!!
Awehness to boycotting surf brands!!
ChilternburtMay 2007
Marthinus wrote:
Chilternburt, i dont see how the hell it will benefit bodyboarders if he wins a 'big title', let me tell you something, in this country there is no such thing as a "surfing / bodyboarding company", you get surfing companys on the one hand and then you get bodyboarding companys on the other, surfing companys weighing down tha scale completly. This should be general knowlage unless you've been living under a rock for the last five years. Say old Jordy manages to win a title or two, if anything, like u said it will bring more surfing companies to SA, thus resulting in even more negativity and disrespect towards the sport of bodyboarding!
And just for the record Andre is my cousin and after him being dropped by his main sponsor, Billabong (just after wining the title for the second time) for no reason other than Billabong cleaning up their team of bodyboarders (that got a salary the fraction of the what their top surfers were earning) to make room for more surfers... In other words i think Andre would as wel, tone zero compensation towards surfers, surfing companies etc.. How could he after they screwd him over so badly and ultimately stopped his career as a professional bodyboarder in its tracks...
bro i dont doubt for a second that Andre was hard done by, and just so you know i WORKED in the surf industry for 5 long years for Island Style who were one of andre's sponsors before and after he won his 2 world titles.. i also grew up surfing NB with him and have nothing but respect for him.. at the same time i spent my free time bodyboarding with people i worked with, ALL of them surfers and you know what, sure they gave me a little stick for lying down, but i returned the favour.. bro this whole bb v surfer debate thing is STUPID.. we all in the ocean, we all ride waves..
and just so you know Mike Stewart was voted as one of the top watermen and pipe legends of all time... and this was in SURFER magazine and voted by SURFERS...
and in my opinion Respect is EARNED... not GIVEN... if you rip at your local spot, a decent surfer will respect that...
I've never met Jordy.. but i do hope he wins the title.. His dad who i met through work is a pretty decent guy, and had loads of time for me even though he knew i was a bodyboarder..
we need to be more positive about fellow SA sportsmen
(just maybe not the chokers in the cricket team)
Spy Dude
May 2007
i need help... hahhahhaha, yeah from covering my asshole when nathan come to town
As for supporting bodyboarding... done my bit, priorities have changed, focused on new things in life.
I have a pirate volcom belt that my sister bought from me at a market in Karthoom in the sudan... so i guess thats fucking them hey... support pirate surf brands, download MP3s and rip any DVD that comes your way.
My point is this, i prefer peace, i buy my clothes from Meltz, Mr Price and Edgars. I havnt worn surf brands for years (my boardshorts are no name brand from woolies)
you dont give a fuck about Jory... yeah well thats your prerogative.
I hear boogers winge so much about being dropped in on by surfers, yet the attack ois on the industry?
I need help understanding this. Martinus feels burned by the surf Industry, so thus he hates anyone who stands up on a surf board. Dude i own 2 surfboards and 5 bodyboards, 3 wetsuits, 3 pairs of fins and a mountain bike, so i guess you HATE me now. Thats allot of anger to keep bottled up bru, stay away from guns and schools bru, i am worried your gonna snap and shoot someone.
Putting a clip of a surfer doing the sickest shit i have ever seen turns into this old lame "lets all dis the surf industry and support those that support bodyboaring debate" YAWN... dude you didnt go on about that in your first post, it was, was pure hate speech. I didnt hear you spewing hate speech about the last clip i put up, namely the remote control... wait for it.... SURFER.
Get over and if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all.
Spy Dude
May 2007
actually over it... this is lame and has been debated to death.
1) Support thoset hat support your sport
2) Freedom of choise is a constitutional right
3) Surfers are people too
4) Give respect to gain respect
5) Be humble in the water
6) And as a bodyboarder always paddle to the inside and call the surfer/other booger/whatever who has been waiting for a shitload longer than you off the wave and then go back tothe beach and wine about being dropped in on.... cos that is what you do..
7) If you dont like it leave
Spy Dude
May 2007
lastly...
according to Matinus you MUST NOT support ANY company that supports surfing....
hate to say this
Factory 7 Supports surfing.... so i guess that rules them out... damn.
where am i gonna get my road DVD now... damn damn damn.
and thats the law according to marinus.
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
Spy, I'm guilty as charged........Maybe we're all just putting too much hate out there.
Lets start by ALL being more friendly in the water. I see plenty ou's all grumpy looking when the waves are good.
BTW I did a full-on hand-drag (hand-bag?) spin on a 1 foot shorey on Monday night.....no wonder stand-ups hate us....it's all my fault...ha ha ha ha
hugh grant
May 2007
Now why did you have to put my name and your asshole in the same sentence Mr. Marqua???
Marthinus
May 2007
Spy Dude wrote:
I need help understanding this. Martinus feels burned by the surf Industry, so thus he hates anyone who stands up on a surf board. Dude i own 2 surfboards and 5 bodyboards, 3 wetsuits, 3 pairs of fins and a mountain bike, so i guess you HATE me now. Thats allot of anger to keep bottled up bru, stay away from guns and schools bru, i am worried your gonna snap and shoot someone
Marthinus wrote:
i've also got a fair amount of friends that are stand-ups and get along with them just fine
Did you maybe over look that part of my post?
Spy Dude wrote:
Factory 7 Supports surfing.... so i guess that rules them out... damn.
where am i gonna get my road DVD now... damn damn damn.
Spy, dont take this as a personal attack but some of you are really clueless aren't you...
FACTORY 7 sells surfing as well as skateboarding products to cover a larger market, but they do not put this money back into surfing or skating, it all gets pumped into the bodyboarding industry. Why would Derk and Kelly put that money back into surfing when they are bodyboarders? Kelly started Sixty40 because he is a bodyboarder, not a coz he's surfer, the same goes for F7, Derek and Kelly decided to start the company so that we as bodyboarder could benefit from it.
Its quite evident that these two brothers are really passionate and amped to get bodyboarding back up there, they do so much for bodyboarding in this country that i dont think the industry would be much without them... Just imagine a world without SIXTY40 or FATORY7, as well as all the other stuff they do, like sponsoring contests etc..
I guess if you dont get it, you just dont get it....
Anyway i'm over arguing with ou's that dont know what they talking about..
Peace
Marthinus
May 2007
scroffmeister wrote:
Support the companies that support bodyboarding, oh right like you mean all the people that supported Jason Boddy and his money he spent on the Cave Rock contest and the importing of movement mags into the country
For the record, I was one of the few people that DID take out a pre-subsription before the mag came out in SA and i didnt even do the Cave Rock contest.. Did you?
Spy Dude
May 2007
Marthinus wrote:
Why is this being posted on a bodyboarding forum? This is of absolutely zero interest to me. Why would we as bodyboarder want to give surfers any credit at all, if jordy smith was a bodyboarder, do u think any surfer would tone this credit to him on a surfing forum? HELL NO!! i dont care who this guy is, where he's from, what he's doing, where he's going and i'm definitely not waisting my bandwidth on him, he's a SURFER!
ok while we are a quote me and i will quote you.....
thats just pure hate amigo.......
Len at ScienceMay 2007yes jordy is great at his sport, but he will not give you a bit of chance in the water. like one of the top brands said to one of there shops in the boland who wanted to help bodyboarding "you can give them prizes out of your budget, but you are not alowed to put any of there branding on the beach (jordy is sponsered by them), because they do not associate themself with bodyboarders" this decesion were made by stand up surfers.
REEF wetsuits support stand up surfers and spend the same amount of money on body boarding. how many of you guys have any REEF clothing.
scroffmeister
May 2007
Marthinus wrote:
scroffmeister wrote:
Support the companies that support bodyboarding, oh right like you mean all the people that supported Jason Boddy and his money he spent on the Cave Rock contest and the importing of movement mags into the country
For the record, I was one of the few people that DID take out a pre-subsription before the mag came out in SA and i didnt even do the Cave Rock contest.. Did you?
Actually I did and no I didnt surf in the Cave Rock Contest but now you mention it it would be interesting to hear how many of the competitors actually did buy the mag!. The point I was making is that you can bang on all day about supporting companies that support bodyboarding but if the average bodyboarder doesnt buy into it, hell dont get all defensive about the surfing industry on a whole. So what if someone wants to wear some other companies clothing or drink their beer or whatever, I live my life for enjoyment and I certainly dont restrict myself to being a "moral" crusader, I wear what I want and I spend my money where I want, I dont in any way need to feel compelled to boycott certain brands, so the question is "am I a bad bodyboarder? Do I not support the sport?" Hell I support the sport yet I dont exclude anything else from my life. Nothing wrong with that, just like there really is not anything wrong with watching a clip of a surfer and thinking it was enjoyable, the honest truth half the time is that I am not interested in what vehicle the guys are riding, I am more interested in the wave itself, since waves and the oceon where the real reason I started surfing/bodyboarding, long before it came a crime against bodyboarding to wear a label that decided to focus purley on surfing.There are just as many bodyboarder tossers and twats in the water as surfers that is the sad reality of it.
Spy Dude
May 2007
I have an old reef wetsuit...... reef booties
I had a reef tshirt but it got nicked.
Spy Dude
May 2007
I skim we must start new lables...
billapong...
volcum .. the biggest dicks in town
Len at ScienceMay 2007 well for the guys who do support REEF, thank you. we will be involved with SA'S this years and Wedge, and boland big wave and a competition with Sixty40 mag and a lot more.
if the shops do not have our clothing, ask for it. the shops belongs to stand up surfers and they need to get a wake up from you guys. we will have a reef bodyboard t shirt for this summer coming and a nice range science t shirts. so we will have the stock and you can contact me to find out where to get it or Derek can order it for you. factory7 do support Reef on most of our products.
scroffmeister
May 2007
I have only ever had Reef wetsuits, ok apart from one shorty ZERO which was my first. My T-Reef with the removable sleeves lasted about 10 years and then become a shorty and I still have it in the garage.
Spy Dude
May 2007
how about a hooded sweater and a beany with a peak?
Len at ScienceMay 2007 let us get to basics first, mim quatitees kills us on product like that. but we are working on a great basic range. no stand up prints this year only a bodyboard print and then life style prints. our boardies for coming summer are great and will be in black, blue and white and our walk shorts are great as allways. our prices on our clothing are really good
Marthinus
May 2007
Len at Science wrote:
yes jordy is great at his sport, but he will not give you a bit of chance in the water. like one of the top brands said to one of there shops in the boland who wanted to help bodyboarding "you can give them prizes out of your budget, but you are not alowed to put any of there branding on the beach (jordy is sponsered by them), because they do not associate themself with bodyboarders" this decesion were made by stand up surfers.
REEF wetsuits support stand up surfers and spend the same amount of money on body boarding. how many of you guys have any REEF clothing.
Hey Len,
Ja eek weet REEF as ook SCIENCE beteken verskriklik baie vir bodyboarding in SA deur alles wat julle doen.
Soos jy weet gebruik ek al my hele bodyboarding loopbaan (amper 7 jaar) net REEF wetsuits, so ek het seker al duer amper 15 REEF suits gegaan.
Gepraat van wetsuits, ek dink dus amper tyd vir 'n nuwe een
..
peterbee
May 2007
I like what Scroffmeister has written - good surfing is good surfing, regardless of what the board is made of.
As for that question of why should we concern ourselves with the Jordy clip on a body-boarding Web site - it's also a South African Web site, dude... and we can proud of him, just as we would have liked the stand-ups to be proud of Dre when he took the title.
Spy Dude
May 2007
well said peter
Marthinus
May 2007
peterbee wrote:
I like what Scroffmeister has written - good surfing is good surfing, regardless of what the board is made of.
As for that question of why should we concern ourselves with the Jordy clip on a body-boarding Web site - it's also a South African Web site, dude... and we can proud of him, just as we would have liked the stand-ups to be proud of Dre when he took the title.
Posting a message as shallow as what you did, could only lead me to think you probably only read the first and last few posts (that or you'r not as bored as the rest of us), read all of it then comment..
So you saying just coz this is a "South African Website" we should discuss anything that has do with South Africa??
Well ok thats cool, lets talk about the way South Africa played at the cricket world cup next, or, i can wait for the rugby world cup later this year, or, the Rand is so weak at the moment, our econemy sux, or, "Eskom to throw light on outage", or, or, or....... keep it real dude
When Andre won the the world title the south african surf industry couldnt care less... After all one of the biggest surf companys in the world and in SA, droped Andre right after he won his second world title...
ChilternburtMay 2007
Marthinus wrote:
peterbee wrote:
When Andre won the the world title the south african surf industry couldnt care less... After all one of the biggest surf companys in the world and in SA, droped Andre right after he won his second world title...
by Andre's own admissions and by what was was written in Threesixty mag, there was more to it than just being dropped by billabong....
and so what, they had there reasons..
Andre' delt with it and moved on...
Spy Dude
May 2007
peter, dont make the same mistake i made and get into a typing competition with a 17 yr old little boy, too much testosterone, ego and everything else there. You made the point i was trying to make, martinus has turned it into a crusade against the surf industry....
scroffmeister
May 2007
I see Kaino Mcgee now surfs instead of bodyboarding, hell he is a competent contest surfer, taking on and beating some of the top surfers in the world, I give him respect because of what he has done for the profile of bodyboarding but I just cant help thinking that when a surf branded company come his way offering him sponsorships and free travel if he will turn them down and say he only supports companies that support bodyboarding. Read his interview on the net about how HE feels about turning to surfing and his bodyboaridng past. While I sympathise with Dre about being dropped by his sponsor and felt a tinge of anger at the way he was treated considering that he was world champ but hey this is a horrible world we live in and things like that happen and I suppose people could also draw a comparison to how Dre left Stewart and went to Morey and while Morey had sold out to a American Corporate Giant that has put nothing back into bodyboarding Mike Stewart has only ever had bodyboarding and the sport of bodyboarding on his mind. The Morey Team guys get their free gear and advertise the product, Morey money then heads back to the shareholders and investers of the Holding Company and well I wonder how much actually ends back in the sport.
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
we're all putting WAY to much hate out there.......
Pleez change the subject already before someone buys a gun. Heck, enough already. So the surf brands hate us, big deal, it's not news, they always have since the early 80's when BBing broke away from surfing and became an actual, stand-alone sport.......
Lets move on please.
Who remembers when the Zigzag had BBing in it? They sure did show some sweet one-handed cutties.
Marthinus
May 2007
Spy Dude wrote:
peter, dont make the same mistake i made and get into a typing competition with a 17 yr old little boy, too much testosterone, ego and everything else there. You made the point i was trying to make, martinus has turned it into a crusade against the surf industry....
haha haha haha... you crack me up man.. haha.. So this is what it is to you? a typing competition?
Dude, i TOLD u not to take anything i wrote personally, did you miss read that as well? maybe you should get your eyes checked...
All im trying to do is to stress the importance of supporting the bodyboarding industry, and not the surfing industry that has been screwing us bodyboarder over since the beginning of time..
Call it "a crusade against the surf industry" if you like, but this is the only way we gonna see a change and if you are wondering where i got this whole concept of "boycotting" surfing brands, the man behind it all is BRANDON FOSTER, and if im not mistaken AL TAYLOR has the same "motto" of supporting only bodyboarding companies and not surfing companies for the logical reason that surf companys dont put money back into bodyboarding but bodyboarding companys do.
Spy i dont see how you as a bodyboarder can see a problem with this?
Marthinus
May 2007
Maybe if you hear it from some one older like ODB, Al or Kelly then you'l believe it, coz it seems that its not good enough just coming from "some 17 year old kid" Sometimes you gotta to accept the truth weather you like it or not..
peterbee
May 2007
Gimme a break dude, there are two separate issues here...
The first I agree with - support brands that support bodyboarding. Makes sense, but they better also earn my loyalty with good quality products.
The second is to not even give respect to stand-ups, regardless - screw that! All that does is continue this childish war of attitudes.
It's a matter of convenience to lump both of the above issues under one banner - possibly because, as is the case with the surfing community and their local mouthpiece ZigZag, this kind of bigotry is hip.
rylin
May 2007
what a trip.
firstly - Spy dude should rather give props to !#@*#^$ Surfers on surfing sites / forums not bodyboarding sites / forums. as there is an intense vibe between the 2 sports.
ok, Spy Dude Bodyboards and Surfs, well done. ok, LOGICALLY, if you want to praise someone for the sport they do. praise them on the site that praises that sport.
heck, would an Ice Hockey site post something about Figure Skating, i highly doubt it.
the whole thing is that us bodyboarders need to stick together here. if you have something gr8(what ever so called F*%^ing GR8 thing there is about surfing) then do so on a Surfing site.
Ok hes south African and we should support our fellow man, well again (also knowing there is a MAJOR problem between the 2 sports) then do it on the appropriate site.
man,to me ive also been hussled by surfers,been cut up the leg, board sliced. man, i dont give any surfer the time of day, ONLY if he shows RESPECT to ANY BODYBOARDER!!!!!!!!!!! so yeh.
Oh and UNTILL i SEE a SURFER(ANY SURFER) paddle into Cyclops(as seen on the Tension DVD's) or that spot on The Road(brendan Newton's wave),yes paddle,then well, i might give them the time of day.
im out.
Damn i need a wave.
Stephan Becker
May 2007
I've bought reef products(wetsuites and shirts) since I've started bodyboarding and other bodyboarding brands. But I've been lucky enough to get some volcom+fox stuff sponsored to me through a local shop(and yes volcom know coz they sent the stuff)... what does that make me?
It wasn't much, but was I to turn it down even though it was free??
pls ous, don't be hating
Marthinus
May 2007
Rylin, guy you have your head screwed on wright and seem to have a good understanding of the situation at hand..
Caves not producing today? i can image it must be uber good
rylin
May 2007
thanks bro, but yeh i couldnt get down to caves !!!!!!! ahhhh man- it must have been gooooooooooood. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
Marthinus
May 2007
Marthinus
May 2007
ahhh bummer man
.. i might come through to caves tommorow, maybe see you in the line up cuz
Stephan Becker
May 2007
well if it wasn't stolen maybe I cud(got taken with basically all my other stuff) anyhow jus a quick one, what did volcom do that made spongers hate them?jus wanna check...
heard stories, but wanne know for sure
Marthinus
May 2007
Stephan Becker wrote:
well if it wasn't stolen maybe I cud(got taken with basically all my other stuff) anyhow jus a quick one, what did volcom do that made spongers hate them?jus wanna check...
heard stories, but wanne know for sure
Are you serious... To cut a long story short, never mind not supporting bodyboarding, they HATE bodyboarders with a passion, so much that they even make their surfers they sponsor sign a contract to NEVER EVER BE SEEN ON OR BE ASSOCIATED WITH A BODYBOARD / BODYBOARDER!!
Brandon Foster, decided to investigate this matter and went to volcom's head offices to ask them wat their problem was, and they basically told him to **** off!
Do you get the picture?
scroffmeister
May 2007
Just out of interest, has anyone ever seen one of these contracts regarding not being seen with a bodyboarder. Not trying to stir things up here but just wanted to know if this is a urban legend or the truth.
Stephan Becker
May 2007
ah k i c. well that's about as much as I wanna be involved in this(don't know much more
)
one stefmyster out
Marthinus
May 2007
What does it matter. No one can deny that volcom hate's bodyboarders, they even openly admit to it.
hugh grant
May 2007
This settles it, while surfing vic-bay a bald headed surfer called archie had a total aggro vibe towards me because I bodyboard!! I do not like stand ups in general!! I have a few mates who surf, and they are the kiffest okes ever, all because they have not been influenced by the mass media of the surfer/Bodyboarder genocide!!
We cannot all get along at a proffesional level, and as for Jordy Smith!! he can go F*** himself for all I care!!
ElementreeMay 2007 Ok ok okes...
So what do you suggest we do in order to change not only our mindsets(with regards to us supporting companies that support bodyboarding, not the big brands who diss us) and the mindset of the general public?
It has been brought to my attention and i have realised that the general public as well as the surf companies feel that bodyboarding lacks a cool factor...besides that big brand surf companies are owned by surfers who grew up hating boogers cos at the time, 70's/80's bodyboarding was the new water sport and they obviously felt invaded. Hence they now feel that since they are in the drivers seat, they aren't going to promote the sport...and it's not just bodyboarding it's all surf sports besides surfing that they diss! In the same way that we dislike them for what they are doing, would it be any different if we were in their position?
Tough to say isn't it?
I have tons of info regarding what is happening with this whole argument, but don't want to give too much of it away at this point in time because it might ruin something in the pipeline...
Like i say...what can we do to firstly, change our actions with regards to purchasing and secondly, change the opinion of the general public with regards to the "coolness" factor?
Push limits, ride harder, bust larger, go deeper...and be good people?
You decide...i'm off to go bust with Spy!
JdV
May 2007
Two quick points I'd like to make:
On the Volcom side of things,does anyone remember SNAC magazine?It was a pretty cool little 'Blunt Mag' style publication that a guy in Durban started a few years back,anyway they were into supporting bodyboarding in their mag but after a few issues volcom told them that if they continued to feature bodyboarding in their mag they would withdraw all advertising and support from SNAC.
They told Volcom to f#ck off,and SNAC mag has since closed down.How much this has to do with the Volcom issue no one knows,but I can imagine,that the people who run Volcom also have a lot of influence in the surf/skate industry in general.
Secondly,I live in Durban and surf with Jordy Smith regularly,and considering he's probably the best in the world for his age,he's a pretty damn decent guy in the water,and a lot of surfers who don't even have half his talent have much worse attitudes.
Guys, irrational hate of surfers isn't going to make things any better.
Buy bodyboarding brands only,don't support surfing brands,and if a surfer gives you shit say something.
But don't waste your time mouthing off about surfers on an internet forum only spongers are going to see anyway.
May 2007
Quote:
Caves not producing today? i can image it must be uber good Shocked
that would be yesterday and..tumtumtum...nope it didnt
kruMay 2007hey guys,
no point in continuing to throw this subject around and we can learn from our estabished ozzie counterparts. in movement or riptide do you still see bickering about stand ups? no, you don't, because they know that bodyboarding is a sport that needs no reference to stand up surfing, and the more we get drawn into the surfing vs bodyboarding the more time we waste in being proud of our sport. Its a simple concept, the big surfing brands make millions of rands in the free state, edgars, chain stores, etc. and they take that money and put it into surfing. Gordon Merchant started Bong out of the back of his car 30 or so years ago, and his customers were surfers back in an age when surfers were considered the outcasts of society (beach bums, drug addicts, etc), so naturally as his company grew he was going to put the majority of his money back into the sport that supported him from the beginning...(mmm, I see a trend)
Bodyboarding is still in its infancy and its up to us now to support those bodyboading companies selling out the back of their cars, so when they hit the big time (sooner rather than later) they will take the money they make from chain stores and put it back into bodyboarding.
So stop arguing on a forum. everyone does, or at least should, be getting into the water for the same reason, and thats to enjoy the ocean, you will find that the older guys don't like bodyboarders in the water, but they also wouldn't like 10 kook surfers paddling out at their homebreak either now would they? And if you are getting hassled in the water then stand up for yourself, thats the simple rules of life, stand up for what you believe in. I bet you that people hassle less with egg beaters purely because they have a weapon and will bash their face in with a paddle, hahaha.
And once and for all can bodyboarding please stand on its own 2 feet? stop comparing yourself to surfing and use your weapon of choice because it's what YOU choose to use. Please in future lets use this as a constructive medium, there is enough bickering everywhere else in the world to have it carry over to something I love doing. Good times.
Stephan Becker
May 2007
Very well put kru. feels like the fire is finally burning out no?
Stephan Becker
May 2007
just a to congrats everyone on a great effort
, this topic has had the most replies(even more than the Huge grand fan club thing).
thought I'd just add one more.
Cheers
hugh grant
May 2007
Yeah!! but remember, The Hugh grant fan club had to be split cause Kelly thought the dead donkey had been flogged enough!! it was actually 9pages!!
Suck on that Becker!!
Stephan Becker
May 2007
Haha, k i c! stil this was more fun
Oh ya, what the hell was you doing climbing rocks at the Wimpy/rossi?
was classic though. You looking for craps or something?
JmoMay 2007Thanks for posting the link Spy.
I rate it. Jordy rips.
Not all bodyboarders hate surfers.
Not all surfers hate bodyboarders.
Not all surf brands hate bodyboarders.
Not all bodyboard brands hate surfers.
Boogers rip hard on some waves.
Surfers rip hard on some waves.
Angry lighties should grow up.
sy83May 2007well said
hugh grant
May 2007
Yeah Mr. Becker!! but the crab pinched me!! Bastard..
Marthinus
May 2007
Jmo wrote:
Not all bodyboarders hate surfers.
Not all surfers hate bodyboarders.
Not all surf brands hate bodyboarders.
Not all bodyboard brands hate surfers.
Boogers rip hard on some waves.
Surfers rip hard on some waves.
Angry lighties should grow up.
You'r missing the point. Completely...
Can you please tell me then, why the bodyboarding industry is in such a crippled state if everthing is so fine and dandy?
If "Not all bodyboarders hate surfers.
Not all surfers hate bodyboarders.
Not all surf brands hate bodyboarders.
Not all bodyboard brands hate surfers."
Then its also, surely, only fair to say,
Not all bodyboarders love surfers.
Not all surfers love bodyboarders.
Not all surf brands love bodyboarders and
Not all bodyboard brands love surfers.
Not right?
Basically, the point that i'm trying to make in this whole debate is:
1.) SUPPORT CAMPANIES THAT SUPPORT BODYBOARDING, COZ THEY SUPPORT US!
2.) DO NOT SUPPORT SURF COMPANIES LIKE BILLABONG FOR EG. COZ THEY PUT NOTHING BACK INTO THE SPORT OF BODYBOARDING
Then on the other side of the argument we got people saying something similar to this:
1.) SUPPORT COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT BODYBOARDING
2.) BUT THEN ALSO SAY THEY STILL GONNA SUPPORT SURFING IN GENERAL AS WELL AS SURFING COMPANIES. (FOR WHAT REASON, I REALLY DONT KNOW, COZ THEY PUT ZEROOOOOO MONEY BACK INTO BODYBOARDING)
byron777
May 2007
I read in an interview with jordy smith that the plett wedge is one of his favourite waves in south africa?interesting dont you think.
kruMay 2007 Marthinus, you have a very valid point, and it is about time everyone woke up and started supporting. So here is another open question since this topic has had the most hits that everyone should get involved in. How do we fix it? so since there has been a whole bunch of complaining about the current state, etc, etc, lets get peoples opinions on how to fix it. And I would like to hear constructive opinions, do you really think the majority of the stand up community spend their time on forums complaining about us? I don't think so. So here is an oppurtunity to hve your say, what will fix the sport?
Here is what I think: instead of complaining about support, etc, etc, why not be the first to go out and buy bodyboarding brands? then when you see a kid wearing a surf brand you can hassle him about it, and explain to them why they shouldn't be buying that brand. Cause shouting at someone from your pedestal while wearing another brand will not have the desired effect.
And just to give evryone an idea, bodyboarding is not in dissarray, in fact we have a better structure in place than most sports in the country and we are growing fast, durban comp during beach africa, TV coverage of the last 2 out of 3 events, speciality events, clinics, etc.
So there it is, lets have some constructive idea's on how to infect change.
The floor is open...
Marthinus
May 2007
kru wrote:
Marthinus, you have a very valid point, and it is about time everyone woke up and started supporting. So here is another open question since this topic has had the most hits that everyone should get involved in. How do we fix it? so since there has been a whole bunch of complaining about the current state, etc, etc, lets get peoples opinions on how to fix it. And I would like to hear constructive opinions, do you really think the majority of the stand up community spend their time on forums complaining about us? I don't think so. So here is an oppurtunity to hve your say, what will fix the sport?
Here is what I think: instead of complaining about support, etc, etc, why not be the first to go out and buy bodyboarding brands? then when you see a kid wearing a surf brand you can hassle him about it, and explain to them why they shouldn't be buying that brand. Cause shouting at someone from your pedestal while wearing another brand will not have the desired effect.
And just to give evryone an idea, bodyboarding is not in dissarray, in fact we have a better structure in place than most sports in the country and we are growing fast, durban comp during beach africa, TV coverage of the last 2 out of 3 events, speciality events, clinics, etc.
So there it is, lets have some constructive idea's on how to infect change.
The floor is open...
Ian, very good idea..
That's EXACTLY what I've been doing for the last four years!
I only have NO FRIENDS, REJECTED, SINDROME, RIPCURL (and contest shirts, hahah) in my closet, as well as some clothes from Truworths MAN etc..
Before NF was widely available in South Africa I even made the effort to get some of their stuff imported from the US!
No lets see some more people following the example..
kruMay 2007 Thats awesome Marthinus, stoked, so you have every right to give others hassles. Anyone else stepping up to the plate? and this is an open forum and I know a large number of you have interesting ideas to push the sport forward so lets hear them. Good times continued.
ElementreeMay 2007 Tring to stir the pot aren't you Ian...
Personally (and i say this from my previously uninformed position) i feel that the majority of buyers don't fully comprehend the exact ethics behind a brand name...i felt that buy only buying "surf brands" i was doing my part. Little did i know that the major labels couldn't give a stuff about bodyboarding. I never bothered to research who those big brands were sponsoring or whether or not they put money into bodyboarding contests-i merely assumed that they were. After all, ignorance is bliss!
The majority of people don't want to do research before they buy.
For some, they just haven't given this topic much thought, for others they couldn't give a stuff and only want to wear a brand for the fact that it is a brand-commonly percieved as "cool."
The big brands sell a lot of gear in cities like Bloem and Jozi so they needed to market the clothing in some way...they chose surfing and hence the brands are now surfing only brands.
I couldn't give a stuff about the big brands they're lame, out-dated and unoriginal. I prefer to buy clothing that seperates me from the crowd, not makes me a part of it. Although i must say that i still have 2 pairs of "big label jeans" i still wear-i just don't have the cash to buy any others.
Many harsh things have been said in these posts, a lot of time has been spent debating over something we are unable to change-with regards to the perceptions of the labels in question...so who cares, move on!
Let them do what they need to do and we do what we need to do-support our own...
Shop online at
Factory7, buy locally produced products(the overseas boys will survive anyway) and i have said this before, but have to repeat it...be all round good people in the water and out of it!
There's no point burning everyone in the water and on land while preaching about how cool bodyboarding is...we need to be ambassadors for the sport of bodyboarding not arseholes.
Elianderthehateful
May 2007
That's all good and well, but I can't help feel that this type of "support X, oppose Y" mentality will lead to a dangerous creation of little prototypes of what a "real" bodyboarder is. You know, one who wears only brands X,Y and Z. People wearing brand A,B and C (perhaps because they actually like those brands!!!) will be outcast as "posers" or whatever the hip term is you use these days for people not fitting into your pre-cast frame...
Just a thought...
NicAdams
May 2007
Talk about the snowball effect, EISH!!! At least it's good to see some activity on the forum and even better to see the passion out there, one way or the other.
If it's one thing I can see here it's opportunity. There's clearly a solid community willing to get behind bodyboarding and, without doubt, are doing so. Local support and innovation is going from strength to strength, just look at the dudes behind Al Taylor, Rossi, PI, Sixty40, Factory7, etc. With time I'm sure bodyboarding will grow in popularity, but therein lies the catch 22. Do bodyboarders naturally shun acceptance? This is the punk in me being provocotive here to further the debate.
I'm pretty sure many would do a double take seeing a brand like No Friends in Edgars (not likely, at least in the short term), is that what we want? Brands like Billabong strike me as being pretty soulless, no doubt a product of their own success.
How Do We Fix It?
1) Absolutely support bodyboarding companies that contribute, locally first then internationally.
2)Throw your creative skills into the fray, put some rad t-shirt designs together and sell em outta your car.
3)Look for and give respect and support to your bodyboarding peers
4)Be curtious in the water, period.
5)Get skiing and snowboarding off tv and replace it with some bboard action attractions.
6)Gnarly artificial reefs...strictly bodyboards only of course....HAHA!
7)Go big and take pictures...keep the stoke alive!!!
Also, how about a heads up on sponging on tv, and I'm not talking about ol' Bob Squarepants!
My two cents.
kruMay 2007 stoked,
I see we are finally getting somewhere. thanks for being constructive everyone.
We are not trying to alienate anyone, in fact, we are merely trying to instill pride in the kids and make sure they understand their actions because they have huge implications in the long term. I know pro's that have sat with the head honchos of big surfing clothing companies, expecting to get a deal with their more than adequate CV's. Only to literally be laughed at by these guys. Not because they had bad CV's, but because they told this particular pro to his face that they have no need to put money into the sport, because bodyboarders would buy their product anyway...
Getting back to the individuality thing, you cant get more individual than bodyboarding brands, in fact in comparison to the massmarket products we are literally a bunch of kids doing our own designs and selling it to our friends. In comparison to your friends that don't partake in the ocean, we are as individual as you can get.
Has anyone in their respective area's looked into clinics and school coaching to spread the stoke? while making cash for yourself on the side?
I know a few guys that make good money doing something they love. If you're interested lets hear it, and you help grow the sport at the same time...a win win situation.
Spy Dude
May 2007
Kelly..... i have a question...
seeing as this is about as off topic as winter and summer on this string, exactly how many times has this (yawn) topic been debated on sixty40? Can bodyboarder talk about nothing else? Cos honestly everyone that reads this knows all this shit already.
The sting started with a video clip about Jordy Smith... and degenerated into the same... dis the big brands, hate the surfers, hate the industry.... blah blah blah!!!!!
Infact its sounding more racist than Zigzag of late, and i thought boogers were bigger than that?
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
One thing that can go a long way in repairing the vibe, is following the rules in the water. If you see a BBer in the water paddling to the inside the whole time or snaking people and just generally being a fool in the water, it's your responsiblilty as a BBer to tell him to wake up. I see it all to often when I've been the ONLY BBer in the water for hours, and the vibe is cool, only to see a group of BBers paddle out and immediatly start snaking people and dropping in, and I've seen the vibe change as a result. Guys, ONLY US as BBers can change the perception of our sport, and it HAS to start in the water. Plently of guys rip, but how many rip with a little respect for others? And if you're paddling out and someone is riding don't scratch for the shoulder and cut them off or get in the way so they have to turn around you and miss the section......HEAD FOR THE WHITE-WASH and just take the white-wash beating like a man.
I'm glad this forum has become more constructive.
BTW I hit Melkbos on Friday after work, and I saw a few of the old school out, who was on it? Cuz it was good hey?!
kruMay 2007 actually spy the idea is to get people to become more constructive in their approach to helping the sport grow so less people will sit and complain from the side lines. My idea is to get people to stop flogging the dead horse of surfers vs bodyboarders and get more involved and focussed on moving the sport forward...
Spy Dude
May 2007
tru........ but it seems everyone misses the point i am trying to make.
Boogers cant seem to debate anything else.
Why not make a string with that topic and lead the way forward.
hof
May 2007
what would you rather talk about spy? this is a burning issue within bodyboarding and one that needs to be debated and so it should... if thats ok with you ofcourse.
dcmike
May 2007
I'm ashamed
Discussion vs argument
Replace 'but' with 'and'
Ask a question instead of making unfounded statements
Take all your trash home from the beach
Leave your footprints on far flung shores
and get a life!
Besides, the rodeo flip is copied from bodyboarding so WE should be proud! Imitation is the sincerest for of flattery. peace
Spy Dude
May 2007
hof.... you missed my point!!!
Len at ScienceMay 2007 i still see that you guys mention all the brands that support bbing, but very few mention about REEF. REEF wetsuits are the biggest sponser of body boarding in south africa if you compare the money that we put into comps and sponsers. WETSUITS SA that do REEF and SCIENCE are constanly busy working on programs from sunsurf to development, competition and sponsers. we try to help the sport as much as we can and try be be accomidating as far as we can. eventhough Science is not a south african brand we do as much for the sport as any SA brand if not more. the more you guys support, the more we can give back. just a thought.
rylin
May 2007
Exactly Len,Stoked for you pointing that IMPORTANT INFO out to guys.
Firstly :
Thanks go to :
1) Sixty40
2) Factory 7
3) Rheopiapo
4) Science
5) Reef
6) Random Projects
7) Pi Bodyboards
8 ) Al Taylor Designs
9) 13th Movement
10) Arnette
11) Bad Boy
12) HB
13) Blair Clothing
14) C Phynz
15) WCD
16) Fresh sugar free
17) Island Style
18 ) Kronic Clothing
19) Lines Of Fire
20) Natural Energy
21) Rossi
22) Second Nature Products
23) Sport ‘n Surf
24) Sport Unlimited
25) Surf Alliance
26) Surf M’Ocean
27) Surf Zone
28 ) Surfwear House
29) UND.agro.UND Clothing
30) Vuka
And thanks goes to Pull The plug Lines of Fire and other guys making S.A DVD’s exposing the riders of South Africa. And don’t forget the guys out there taking photos and creating magazines and for the committees for all the hard work they push out each year for organizing comp’s etc for our sport.
Ok, I know there must be plenty more to be put down and you guys know who you are. also im not sure if some of the above companies are still going or supporting bodyboarding(shops etc).
AS YOU CAN SEE, the bodyboarding community is growing and there are a lot of BODYBOARDING COMPANIES out there in SOUTH AFRICA!!!
If you know of any companies out there that I haven’t put down here, PLEASE post them up on this Topic, so we can see exactly where our sport has grown to date.
kruMay 2007 good stuff, and I already know there are more peeps out there that put into the sport and maybe we should start to build some sort of a database so there are easy ways of finding out where to get their product from.
Len: I would like to say that you guy's do a fantastic job for the sport and deserve all the support you get and more. Just one area that I would like to add my 2 cents in, with all the support you are putting in to Son Surf, and comps and development, etc, I think you guys are selling yourself short when you don't use sixty40 as a medium to cover your events. In this way the people from around the country will get to hear alot more about the Reef/Science exploits. Eg. I never even knew about the Son Surf comp you guys sponsored and apparently you had a great turn out with the melkbos grom brigade. So apart from everyone hearing about it, you may get a few more people in attendance and the kids will be super stoked on seeing themselves on sixty40. Then everyone wins because we will also have more to read about and create more traffic for Kelly and attract some advertisers for the website.
I am glad the forum is becoming more constructive.
dcmike
May 2007
There are some very valid points on this discussion and the trick is to take the good and go forward with it. I too have t-shirts in my cupboard from bong and qs but only cos they were given to me as a gift (3 years ago)... I asked my mom (who gave it to me not to buy me surf stuff anymore) now I only have worn out no-name Ts and she offered me her washing machine! haha!
The one thing that is a bit of a conundrum (nice word huh! means 'riddle') is the fact that in general I think we bodyboarders like to be fringe characters - the punk in us as someone said... So does that mean if we do see Reef or NF in Edgars we won't buy it? Don't forget, they will buy a T off Reef for R20 and sell it on to you for at least R80 (probably more like R180!) and will they then sponsor a contest? I think not... I don't even buy branded clothing cos at the end of the day the shirt cost R10 to make at the hands of some child-labour consortium in the far east and I end up paying to advertise some other monkey's product with their twit logo across the front! That doesn't make me feel cool - it makes me feel like a walking sucker billboard!
So do we start a clothing manufacturing company where you can submit your designs, vote for the best ones and then produce and sell by mail order?
If some of you know of the cheese rock band Boston... They wanted to record a new album but the record label wanted to change their style - They said no and contacted their fans and got the money upfront to produce the album - and succeeded - anything is possible...
hugh grant
May 2007
Please okes!! stop discussing this!! one more page and my HGFC will only be the second most discussed topic!! I implore you all now,quit while you are ahead!!
Marthinus
May 2007
Len at Science wrote:
i still see that you guys mention all the brands that support bbing, but very few mention about REEF. REEF wetsuits are the biggest sponser of body boarding in south africa if you compare the money that we put into comps and sponsers. WETSUITS SA that do REEF and SCIENCE are constanly busy working on programs from sunsurf to development, competition and sponsers. we try to help the sport as much as we can and try be be accomidating as far as we can. eventhough Science is not a south african brand we do as much for the sport as any SA brand if not more. the more you guys support, the more we can give back. just a thought.
Good that you pointed this out Len, as i mentioned in a previous post, I've been using REEF wetsuits since the day i started bodyboarding. To be quite honest i cant think of 1 bodyboarder in my area that doesn't have a REEF suit! So that's great that the guys are supporting the right people!
The reason i didnt mention anything about REEF in the clothing department is because, Reef's clothing line is relatively new and i have not been shopping for t shirts, boardies, walkshorts etc. since, but will most definitely be looking into that when the time comes around, seen some really sick stuff!
I dunno if this is only my perception, but i think most guys are seeing REEF as more of a so to say 'surfing' brand like RIPCURL for example, dont get me wrong i think everyone knows you guys are doing a MASSIVE amount (probably more than any other brand involved in the industry) for bodyboarding in South Africa.
I say this because, just as an example, the print of a surfer on the backpacks could lead one into thinking REEF is more of a 'surfing' company. I know you guys are just trying to cover a larger market, but do you understand where i'm coming from?
But, like you said, if you guys are only doing bodyboard prints this year, i think it will do wonders for the company's image and i am almost certain that it will be a huge hit, coz i can't think of many companies that have bodyboarding prints on their merchandise (except for the KRONIC t shirts on Factory 7) and just think how cool it will be to have a print of a bodyboarder on your bag, hoody or watever. I for one will definitely buy!!
Marthinus
May 2007
hugh grant wrote:
Please okes!! stop discussing this!! one more page and my HGFC will only be the second most discussed topic!! I implore you all now,quit while you are ahead!!
hahahah.. Sorry Nathan i think your claim to fame is nearing its end!!
EDIT: okay not quite yet, i thought this post was gonna be the last stab to the heart!
SmTMay 2007 I'm not adding anything to the surfing vs bodyboarding debate, I just want to beat the Hugh Grant farce of a discussion!!!!!!!
p.s Focus on what we can change rather than things we can't! i.e some people's attitudes will never change!!!
SmTMay 2007 Firstly, a MASSIVE thanks to Len from REEF and SCIENCE, you're support is always appreciated. One point, we need more REEF coverage up here in KZN, I would definitely prefer to see more REEF Suits up here than there are at the moment (i'm happy with my 2 Suits, thanks)
If I saw NF, Rejected or any other Bodyboarding brand in Edgars i'd still buy them from FACTORY 7, screw those capitalist PIGS! The funny part about all this "I want to be different" is that everyone else is trying as well!I want to be different just like everyone else! Be yourself, don't lie to yourself!
It's a matter of making positive comments, taking part in positive actions and portraying bodyboarding in a positive light!
Support the Brands that support us, if you don't then you have no right to complain about shortcomings in our Sport in this Country.
I for one am frothing in anticipation for the NEW Sixty40 Mag and i'd like to see if possible how many people sign up for subscriptions either directly or through FACTORY 7, and those who don't and still complain, what their excuses are!!!
As soon as the subs are available, start a new topic and add your name to the list!
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
To Reef Wetsuits and all the other brilliant Co's contributing to our sport, here is a large thankyou....
THANKYOU!!!!
In light of all the great support you are giving to the awesome sport of BBing, you can put any pick you like on your merchandise.....well except Jacob Zuma.....ha ha ha ha
I got a Billabong tee-shirt for Christmas that has ol Mitch Rawlins busting the PHATEST invert air......do I keep it or burn it....ha ha ha ha ha ha
HGFC blows, hopefully this reply will get this topic into the lead.
SmTMay 2007 Hey Ry-Dog, does this mean you waon't give My Girlfriend or Oros's the time??? Hahaha!
rylin wrote:
man,to me ive also been hussled by surfers,been cut up the leg, board sliced. man, i dont give any surfer the time of day, ONLY if he shows RESPECT to ANY BODYBOARDER!!!!!!!!!!! so yeh.
Looks like we missed out on Donkey's, bastards! Heard there might be some swell this weekend, see ya
rylin
May 2007
hey mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!
hahahahaha- neh they cool, what can i say, they have bodyboarders as bf's!!!!!!! they rock!!! they have seen the light!!!!!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
yeh donkeys looked fun ey.i will eat my own foot to score it like we did last year!!!
yeh swell hits here soon soon. hope i score waves when im back in durbs.winter mornings-ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JdV
May 2007
One thing.I think that if i see another 'bodyboarding t-shirt' with a cheesy silhouette of a guy doing an invert on it,I might just vomit on the spot.
Seriously it's not cool,or stylish or good looking and I can't see why anyone, who isn't just buying it to support a bodyboarding company, would.
I mean who says that bodyboarding companys have to have clothing with pics of bodyboarders on it,it just looks amateurish most of the time,and nobody who isn't a bodyboarder is going to buy it.The overseas companies like No Friends,Rejected,Grand Flavour,Plastic People etc. seem to have realised this, when will we?
We need something which will sell to the general public otherwise there will never be any money in the bodyboarding industry.How do you think the surf brands made all that money?Selling to surfers?Partly,but far from entirely.
Marthinus
May 2007
JdV wrote:
One thing.I think that if i see another 'bodyboarding t-shirt' with a cheesy silhouette of a guy doing an invert on it,I might just vomit on the spot.
Seriously it's not cool,or stylish or good looking and I can't see why anyone, who isn't just buying it to support a bodyboarding company, would.
I mean who says that bodyboarding companys have to have clothing with pics of bodyboarders on it,it just looks amateurish most of the time,and nobody who isn't a bodyboarder is going to buy it.The overseas companies like No Friends,Rejected,Grand Flavour,Plastic People etc. seem to have realised this, when will we?
We need something which will sell to the general public otherwise there will never be any money in the bodyboarding industry.How do you think the surf brands made all that money?Selling to surfers?Partly,but far from entirely.
So you telling me u think this T sucks?? Damn i think this is one of this sickest designs ever!
Maybe its just you? Or then again maybe its just me, but 1 of my buddies has the shirt and everyone digs it...
Anyone else wanna give their opinion?
May 2007
i scheme there is nothing wrong with moves on the T's, that nomad t-shirt looks sick and i've seen at least 3 people wearing it.
peterbee
May 2007
Anyone else reckon it looks arb, with its little green rectangle on a great white expanse of t-shirt? Looks like a sticker, on an ordinary white T...
SmTMay 2007 NOMAD T is SICK, i've got one too and i'm super stoked there's a bodyboarder on it, now I just need one with a sick dk shot on it!!!
Kinda lets people know i'm a bodyboarder, that's why I like it as well!
Until you can start a company and bring out your own idea of a good looking "Bodyboarding T" then shut it!
Marthinus
May 2007
SmT wrote:
Kinda lets people know i'm a bodyboarder, that's why I like it as well!
I fully agree with you on that one bro!
Stephan Becker
May 2007
ok a few things from my ONE cents worth. Firstly to SPY, the attitude of "yawn, this has been discussed before so why bother" won't help so rather don't mention it.
The fact is(and I dont think I'm alone) that this time ppl might actually take it seriously. With Boogying growning in SA the way it is and with a new mag coming(having sleepless nights about that, can't wait) it can only be a good thing to have people in the right mind set.
About the prints on the shirt, I dig it!
Have a few Kronic T's with prints on AND EVEN SUM SURFERS HAVE SAID ITS SICK(and these guys are the ones that normally have only bad to say about bb). But thats just me, maybe I'm just a minority but having prints like that also lets groms know where its coming from and hopefully with the "knowledge gained" from discussions like this they'll support it.
Anyhow thats me, just glad the be part of the sport!!
oh and Hugh, think this means a new page...sorry dude(that is if it is)
Stephan Becker
May 2007
ha, i was too late! dam...
JdV
May 2007
Okay guys, I'm perfectly prepared to admit that the nomad tee is sick,and I'm not saying that a shirt with a rider on it can't be sick,it's just that sadly a lot of the time it's not.
All of this detracts from my point which is that guys need to put some real thought into making designs that everyone,not only bodyboarders will want to wear.Imagine seeing surfers wearing a label run by bodyboarders,because their designs are just 'that cool'.
If we keep thinking small all of our labels are going to remain being sold from our garages.Unfortuneately we don't have the 'cool factor' on our side like the surfers,so to sell to outsiders we're going to have to rely on some crazy ass designs!I'm really trying to be positive here not negative,although it may seem like that.
hugh grant
May 2007
rylin
May 2007
i fully agree jason.
got that design mind working.woooooooohoooooooooo!!!got ya going there man.
exactly. not saying that a Bodyboarder on a t-shirt looks bad but it has been over used but can still be used in ways that it looks sick....
but agreed from me, the design has to appeal to all and it ultimatly SHOULD be known that a Bodyboarding company has produced that design/shirt sooner or later and then more of those bodyboarding companies producing clothing will pop up all over the show.its a chain reaction in the end.
i reckon the designers out there should have there say.......
look at Grand Flavour - they have some SICKKKKKKKK stuff and it appeals to anyone!!!!!!!
Marthinus
May 2007
I have made a couple of designs, just screwing around on photoshop, i thought of the name 'STERIO' and it just stuck. I was thinking of maybe printing a couple of designs on t shirts or something...
As well, me and my buddies also started a small "production company" if you like called "Flying Frog Productions" and we plan on bringing out a small movie called "Local Motion" sometime next year probably, coz we want some decent footage in it, no point in waisting time on some half job if u know what i mean..
il post some designs..
Marthinus
May 2007
JdV
May 2007
Dude i reckon those designs are damn sick!
This is exactly what I'm talking about,they look good and will appeal to both bodyboarders and anyone else with a decent sense of style.That way you have room for a lot more sales.
Make the shirts,i'll buy one,maybe more,especially if you say you've got even better ones!
byron777
May 2007
In my wardrobe 1x reef tee,3x no friends,1x nomad with the sponger on,2x rejected,1x 13 movement,1x threesixty mag tee
1x reef walkshorts 1x rejected shorts and a pair of nomad boardies.
hows that ous?Not one surf label in my wardrobe,not bad considering i live in jbay,the home of bong.i was walking around the country feeling factory shop the other day,sick bong and element tees where selling for 30 bucks.was not even interested in buying there shi,even if its dirt cheap.
kruMay 2007 HAHAHAHA
Stoked we have finally lit a bit of a fire.
I am glad you guys got the point about not just complaining and actually doing something. AMPED.
On the 'bodyboarder on t shirt' deal, you guys are bodyboarders and you want to shout it from the roof tops which is great, but in fashion its all about variety, kids don't want to wear what their friends are wearing. And since we are the ones who are not appealling to a mass audience like surfing we should rather appeal to individuals, so what I am saying is that the more brands and the more variety there is the more kids won't complain about there not being enough 'bodyboarding brands'.so they won't have any excuses about there not being cool t shirts. And we know boogers are some of the most creative people in the country so there is no reason why there shouldn't be crazy good stuff out there.
So here's the next question, who can think of creative idea's to get it to the masses?
good times (sorry Hugh, afraid this topic has become a bit more important)
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
As a clothing designer, graphic designer and a BBer, I have to firstly say that Nomad tee is lame, it def looks like stupid green block on a white tee, but in the same breath if you think it's sick, if thats your vibe, then buy it and support the cause......
Martinus your designs are rocking, get them out there bro.
One of the problems that I have encountered in doing, BBing t-shirt designs is if you take a BBing pic , prone or dk and make it a silhouette, what do you have? Yes thats right, a blob, sponge blob and unless you actually BBoard you won't know what the hell it is. Standup surfing well thats different, you can see immediatly, whether you surf or not, it's a guy standing up. Thats why BBing tee's have to be more graphic in execution and inevitably way more thought has to go into the composition. And by bieng way less "surf vibey", they will automatically look more punkish. BBing actually has an amazing opportunity here......
The main stream public interprets the sport of surfing through the media, through what gets presented to them, as often they can't just go to the beach and watch. A fine example is the crappy Beach Boys music every time a "surfing" ad is on TV.....now this includes the graphic representation of the "sport" like logos on tee's ect. like silhouettes of surfers.....so the general publics' perception of surfing has been instilled through years of crap design by non-surfers! (China or India where almost everything is made).
What are WE going to give to the general public? Are we all just punks? Probably! ha ha ha But more importantly, how are we going to represent our sport a greater audience? How will your audience connect your design to our kick-A sport.....it's up to you. It can't all be crows and thorn tree's, sculls and barbed wire......but there-in lies the opportunity......
Len at ScienceMay 2007 reef will have a bodyboard image this summer coming and no surf image. available in 5 different colors.
ChilternburtMay 2007 another 2 cents worth...
@ Nathan : unlucky you now 2nd best
@ everyone else... all good to support bobdyboarding only cmpanies.. but where were you all when DIBS was being pushed in SABodyboarding years ago and marcel was doing his best to help the sport...
SABodyboarding died due to "lack of support" and well Dibs had to be marketed as "surf" ware with the bodyboarding removed from the label..
kruMay 2007 Hey chiltenburt,
I am afraid when Marcel was supporting there was no outcry to support the bodyboarding brands because the surf brands were still pretty heavily involved...its very unfortunate, maybe he can get back to some bodyboarding designs?
And whether or not you put bodyboarding pics on t shirts, or crows or palm trees, it doesn't matter because eventually once the t shirts are flowing thick and fast your consumer will dictate through sales of your product which designs work best. But at the moment there is a huge lack of diversity in design so lets get them out there and then we can see how it goes.
good times
ChilternburtMay 2007 yea i know .. was just mentioning it..
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
Seriously I not trying to dis anyone here, I have big-up respect for anyone trying to make it out there, esp here in SA and I'll support you by buying your product.....but....Sterio, No Friends, Nomad, kiff I get the idea, but....DIBS....hey sorry bru, maybe I'm doff or something cause I don't get it....DIBS...nort bru....DIBS?!....I dunno hey, that hopefully stands for something sic, I saw a huge sign with DIBS on it, EISH bru. Again I mean no disrespect, I just don't get it, so I didn't get it.
SmTMay 2007 That's a weird excuse for not supporting a brand???
Wikipedia definition:
Dibs is a slang term used to stake a claim on something. Calling dibs is typically done by yelling "Dibs on ____", filling in the blank with the item. The system operates mostly on a first-come, first-served basis.
Sounds kinda like saying "Shotgun"!
Chinnychinchin
May 2007
Ok now I get it......thanks SMT......Again I mean NO disrespect but thats a terrible explination, DIBS sounds nothng like shotgun, it's sounds more like little pink pony......Somehow I just can't picture Kainoa cruzin the North Shore with that word on his t-shirt.....
Seriously to the ou's all keen to put money, time and effort behind a project, make sure you do some market research, and get some outside input on your brand name, cause you and your mom might think your ideas are wonderful but they might not be as marketable as you think.
Cause most ou's aren't going to spend their hard earned cash on products with a doff name, and I'm certainly not gonna buy a product JUST cuz it's a BBing or an SA brand.
NicAdams
May 2007
Great to see the effort going on here. Just please remember that while bong, qs etc might not be the greatest in terms of support, they still manufacture a quality product (...9 times out of ten anyway!).
Anyone looking to to get into clothing please remember to keep quality standards high. I think a lot of people, bodyboarders or not, will pass on a shoddy polyester T no matter how sick the design.
sampiMay 2007Wow - I would really not mind a brand called: "little pink pony".
ChilternburtMay 2007 lol @ little pink pony...
and yea quality is a BIG factor.. i would pass on any cheap shoddy shirts.. no matter how "cool" they were...
puku
May 2007
aweh sick topic and mad debate and ideas going down! marthinus those designs are mad bru! I smaak the local motion one with the black background and all the colourful writing! I was reading a recent riptide and in an interview with a young ripper (max arent-highfield i think) and he was tuning how all the honeys he knows froth more over bodyboarers than surfers cause they skeem we have a more stylish dress sense than surfers! how about that! instead of trying to be like all the other surfing brands why not be original and pioneer our own sort of style if you know what i mean! but I think i'm just re-implying what ou's have been saying so ja! use it, smoke it, whatever
and isn't interesting Spy isn't as involed now with all the constructive ideas going down than when there was conflict? not a personal attack but come on dude, put some of your energy into the good side by making some suggestions. lets hear your positive ideas
Stephan Becker
May 2007
Note POSITIVE ideas!!
Spy Dude
May 2007
Puku.... seeing as i started this string and what i was trying to convey went spiraling down into a debate that has well.... been debated before.
Over the years i have offered tons of advice (very positive), i have been at the for front of the original crew to boycott all surfer brands.
But this post was never about this, it was about showing a little respect to a fellow south african who is destined to become the next world champion, saddly that was only seen by Peter Brand, funny how the ballies get it, but the lighties go off on a self richeous rant.
ChilternburtMay 2007 OI i may be 30 but i got it too... Jordy Rocks..
oh and btw i heard that the only SAFFA's at the prizegiving in Hawaii cheering Jordy on were Darrel Nelson and the bodyboarding crew..
if they can support him, so can we..
ch4os_
May 2007
i was bored!
was just playing around
May 2007
im guessing wrong topic?
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