puku
June 2006
Subscribe to Logic and Movement! Get 2 sick mags in your postbox, supporting bodyboarding and you making everyone happy!
Marthinus
June 2006
Ja, I agree with kelly, there is NO reason for any bodyboarder in the country (or even the world) contest or free surfer not to support Movement. Hopefully anyone with even the slightest bit of common sense will NOT think like this: "If I buy the Movement I'm not going to buy the Logic" therefore there is no competition between the two because, they cover to completely different scenes of bodyboarding
Look at the huge amount of effort Jeff and Eddie put in to bring us this mag as well as Jason taking a huge gamble with his own money importing the mag and all the effort he has gone through promoting it, sponsoring comps etc. just to try and give the south african bodyboarding scene a boost, putting the money from the mags back into the sport, by sponsoring more contest and this is the thanx he gets...
not even 20 of the 2000 mags where presold (subscribers) that’s less than 1%!!!
That is completly and utterly pathetic to say the least, all the oak wanted to do was help us as south african bodyboards by giving us access to the international bodyboarding scene but this is how he gets repaid...
Saying your are not going to support the mag because you are a non-contesting free surfer is total bull shit....
First of all, you are not going to get far in bodyboarding if you don't surf comps thats just the way things work.... Without comps bodyboarding in SA will never grow, contests are what gives the general public a view of what bodyboarding is about..
2. If you are not going to support the bodyboarding contest scene (e.g. SABA) by never surfing comps the least you can do is buy this mag to buy bring your part...
Jason my guy, my condolences go out to you... Thanx for trying to bring Movement Mag to SA and attempting to do a great deal of good to the south african bodyboarding scene, but if people are do doff to realise it then well ja what can I say... They are shooting themselves in the foot..
(And yes I am one of the 19 subscribers)
Marthinus Botha
jbs
June 2006
Well after reading the above posts I feel very sorry for Jason. He's really trying to support the local bodyboarding scene but as usual when it comes to supporting bodyboarding related products in this country...he's being sold lemons!
I dont understand how people can say we shouldnt have an international sponging mag in this country, ignorance like that astounds me! Jason's giving us a great publication that will keep us up to date on
WORLDWIDE bodyboarding news.
Local is 'lekka' but bodyboarding does not start and end in S.A. Plus with the introduction of an overseas mag with such a high level of quality in its pictures, editorial content and general layout, it will hopefully push Logic Mag to step up their game in these departments.
And as for riders who compete in Movement endorsed compos...really guys, catch a wake up!
byron777
June 2006
Howsit guys,
Im super bummed to hear that only 19 ou's have subscribed to movement mag.Thats pathetic!
I want to see bodyboarding taking off here in SA,but if this is the way we support the life we love then I can tell you now that bodyboarding is going no where.
I love my sport,its giving me some of the greatest memories ever,it has shaped me into the person I am today.I want to see it grow for future generations,I want my 7week old son to be a bodyboarder.-Godwilling-
We as todays spongers have a responsability to carry the sport.
So get out there,subscribe to Movement and Logicmag.Buy an intaba raffle ticket.
Lets give the coming generations more to offer....
Spy Dude
June 2006
sorry to hear that jason, ahoy my brother, but i know i speak for allot of us ballies from the bygone era, i am just too poor to afford the subscription, wife and kids come first now.... i know its a lame excuse but its my own sad reality.... modern day slavery sux. Oh ps bummer about the rand falling through the floor aswell, lank ous have lost thousands.
I know first hand what it feels like to pump your soul into something, hoping the industry will give back a little only to get kicked in the balls. One of the biggest reasons i rather shoot weddings than surfing/bodyboarding these days.
So ahoy for trying, your efforts are noted in Heavan.
Big up amigo
Safe travels
catch you on the flipside
Peace.
dcmike
June 2006
Tjaaaaaaisuuusss! Okes! go large or go home! Ride, ride, ride!
Buy both! Local get's us stoked to take SABBing further and foreign is the context! Wax up!
jbs
June 2006
Yeah I think it's time we make an effort. I fully understand that everyone cant just be expected to plow cash into every new sponge related product on the market.
But if you look at it this way...
Logic Mag is R15 and comes out every 3 months I think, so thats R5 a month!!!
Movement is R35 and it comes out every 2 months so thats R17.50 a month to put aside.
So If everyone were to buy little piggy banks and put R22.50 aside each month like good little boys and girls then there would be a thriving industry that would be throwing 10 large at contests on a regular basis.
I mean come on thats like 2 and a half beers or 1 mix if you're at the jol. You'd do it if some honey with big melons fluttered her eyelids at you and asked sweetly...so why cant we do it for this?!!!
SmTJune 2006Big thanks to Jason for putting his money where his mouth is!
That is without a doubt one of the biggest efforts a single bodyboarder has done for S.A Bodyboarding (right up there with Kelly and his tireless effort with sixty40)
Anybody who doesn't suport this Mag or The Intaba Raffle or LOGIC Mag has NO right to complain about the state of Bodyboarding in S.A
Spydude, you're perpetuating the cycle, by not managing to scrape together less than R1 a day to support Movement you are shutting down any hope of EVER getting bigger support for contests which in turn would lead to more money in the sport and more money for you, instead of having to shoot weddings!
I'll always support Craig at LOGIC, i'll support Kelly and i'll support Jason and Al T! These are the guys actually making an effort and they deserve all the support they can get!
By saying the whole system is corrupt you are definitely not helping by just sitting back and bitching, by giving more support to the sport everyone says they LOVE, things will turn around!
C'mon guys, pull your fingers out your ASSES and start supporting S.A Bodyboarding!
puku
June 2006
Geez, 19 subscribers! when i subscribed i was hoping to be one of the 1st hundred or whatever so i can score a lank free dvd! like jbs tunes its like 23 ront a month! if you cant scrape that together for something you love then you might aswell start begging at street corners!
kimon
June 2006
hate to wade in here
but guys, remember that whilst there are spinoffs beneficial to bodyboarding, Movement is not a charity. carefull with the praise. its admirable to do, BUT its a business decision! if a business starts and flops its got to do with more than loyal subscribers...
my 2 cents
June 2006
hey agree with Kimon there alot... the end of the day they are starting a business and its not charity. They are trying to make a living which is good and full credit to them...
But when these countrys took off with there mags they never went buying international mags... they pumped thoughts, dedication etc into there local mags! ... we have some very good SA riders that should be pasted over the local mag and international countries should be buying the mag going wow check these owes out!!
Australia - They have there Riptide which is there main mag and dont really care about international mags
UK - Dont care about international riders or mags
Those are just 2 basic examples in there but it goes deeper. The thing is at the end of the day ES and Jeff dont care if SA buys the mags as long as they are making some cash at the end of the day. Yes business is shrewd but thats life. There should be no reason why our mags arent to the same standard or even better then those foreign mags if everyone supports it where possible!!!
Sure buy both mags if the cash flow is sweet. But dont buy international mags if you arent going to buy / support the local mags. Craigs busting out big time to get things going and if you are in the area / country you be possibly running ideas, thoughts etc by him or even getting all your mates at school or on the beach to be buying the mags...
June 2006
Well actually going to step down from this subject as it keeps on coming about silly things...
Everyone has there own thoughts and views on bodyboarding and everyones all right in there own mind.
How many of us actually ask ourselves where do we want / see bodyboarding in the future?
Me i enjoy it for the love of it and just want to get other bodyboaders stoked. I dont care about contest, politics and everything else that drives it towards the attitude of surfing or any other events. As long as i have my boards, good waves and fellow bodyboarders im stoked. I think to a certain degree im actually happy that a lot of people dont know what bodyboarding is as would hate for it to become so widely commercialised like surfing. Bodyboarders are already picking up that attitude and they are shockers....
you will know who the real bodyboarders are along the line in true time
Over and out
Mark
SmTJune 2006 Screw this, support MOVEMENT and LOGIC, who cares if they're trying to make a little money on the side doing something for the sport they love, they deserve it for the effort.
If you don't support them, then you have NO right to complain about SA Bodyboarding.
If you want to support SA, give up your BZ sponsor and ride ROSSI you hypocrite!
Who cares about Eddie and Jeff, Jason is the one bringing the mag in, he's the one putting money into the Sport!
By not having an international Mag we're blinding ourselves to the international scene and the improvements in the sport. It's like saying don't read the TIME magazine cause it has international info in it?
Just buy the MAG! It doesn't cost a fortune?
KellyJune 2006Bodyboarder:
will moan about the raw deal he gets yet at the same time begrudge the bodyboarder who does become successful.
Been there, done that - I'm over it. Let's sort ourselves out!
Clarity: Movement is the magazine - it's a business ... good luck to them. Jason is the guy bringing it into the country and setting out this deal - about as close to charity as it gets.
We're certainly not Oz who has arguably the best riders and magazines in the world so would hardly see the point in bringing in other mags. But I also think we as Saffa's tend to like to keep up to date with international news so if you want to read a mag of an international flavour so you can see what the rest of the world is up then grab a copy - this issue has sequence shots like Hubb's 720 and his brother Dave's DK Roll which I'd love to see a few of the SA guys busting.
If this deal works then there is some cash going back into SA bodyboarding regularly thanks to this set-up. In effect a little donation from you but you get some good reading material in return ... and some pretty pictures for those who can't read.
If it fails - well, I'd be hacked off that we couldn't back a fellow bodyboarder by forking out the hefty sum of R35. I sincerely hope it doesn't fail but then it's back to the drawing board if it does. Then maybe we can call on ideas and some cash to back it up?
Pre-sale profits of this mag sponsored the Cave Rock which got bodyboarding on TV in SA for the first time in a while ... some decent riders, in some decent waves. Stoked! May scare some but I think that the ghost of commercialised bodyboarding will remain just that.
Last but not least --- I feel like I've said this a hundred times but maybe not enough .... grab a copy of the latest Logic - it's out now and will be at the Plett contest which they're helping to sponsor. The issue is rumoured to be their best yet and includes the Andre Botha interview. If it's not at your local surf shop then hassle them to get it in (email:
[email protected]) and maybe even get them to advertise in the mag if they are a big enough store. As always you guys can make or break anything ... so if I can ask nicely - stop breaking all the toys!
If you can't find a copy then get a subscription, otherwise go to
http://www.factory7.co.za where we give out a free Logic mag with every order - the latest copies should be with us in the next few days. Whoever you support - just make sure they support sponging. If everyone did this, we'd be laughing.
puku
June 2006
I'm with you on this 1 sean...
Marthinus
June 2006
Mark, I Think what you are forgetting is that no one is in it for the money, not Jason, Eddie or Jeff... They started the mag so that we as bodyboarders can benefit from it, They didn't start it as a international money making scam as some of you might think. By importing the mag to SA Jason also made beneficial to us saffas, enlightening us of whats going on in the international bodyboarding scene, remember the world doesn't end at South Africa, thats why the Logic alone isn't enough..
Marthinus
June 2006
Ja, can't wait to get my hands on a copy of the new logic, checked for it yesterday in somerset but it wasn't in yet, hope it gets to hermanus before wedge, need something to do for the 6 hour ride there! Stoked that my cuz is on the cover and back on top of things, apparently indo is going good and allot of other saffas there at the moment...
SmTJune 2006 Hey Marthinus,
I never said any of them were in it for the money, they do it for the love and good on them if they make a little to cover their expenses.
You're basically re-iterating exactly what I said, we need MOVEMENT.
Bummed you put my name up there with Marks, gonna have to take you up on it in PLett, Haha, just kidding, i've got my sub to Movement and an Intaba ticket, got every issue of LOGIC!
I've got nothing but utmost respect to guys like Jason, Kelly, Craig, Al, Rossi and the rest of the guys supporting S.A Bodyboarding, you got to support these guys!
Check who advertises in LOGIC and the names of the guys sponsoring Intaba, those are the people you need to buy stuff from, get your mates to buy and your parents, whatever, just support them, can never say it enough!
Marthinus
June 2006
Sorry Sean, ja you are right didn't read/grasp your post properly, i have edited my post...
ja, i aslo have every issue of logic... even doubles of some..
c u at wedge guy
peace
Peter Lambert
June 2006
Hi Guys.... I am scared to even open my mouth as its pretty clear that everyone has pretty strong ideas on the subject!
My uneducated opinion is the subject is the following:
1. Jason Boddy is legend... I remember him from back in the day, surfing Kalk bay like a chap, doing updates for the old ZigZag bodyboarding and helping out wherever he could.
2. The guys who rode the CRGP.... I think should think about the fact that Jason put in the cash, and they didn't even scratch the surface in return and subscribe.
3. Mark Clarke has his opinion, and I am not going to say that he's wrong, or that he's right. What I will say is that he is entitled to his opinion, just as I am entitled to mine, and you are entitled to yours. What I can tell you is he rides a lot better than me (which isn't hard), that he loves bodyboarding, and has helped me out heaps with my movie project, and always looked out for me. So he's a Bro.
4. Support the guys that support us... that is why we should support both Logic and Movement... they both love bodyboarding and they don't really compete, but rather compliment each other. Think of them as two companies that both are on our side, both offering different but equally important content. Movement's market is advertisers in The USA and internationally, and Logic's Market is advertisers in the SA Bodyboarding industry... The more subscribers a mag has, and the better a mag's content, the more attractive it is to advertisers. The bigger the bodyboarding market is, the more attractive bodyboarding is to advertisers.
That's all... just my two cent option... its not all fact, so anyone is welcome to disagree, and I am totally cool with that.
Peter
KellyJune 2006 OK - the mags have landed and you can get your copies at
www.factory7.co.za which is the only place at the moment where you can get them. They will be down at Ocean Life in Plettenberg Bay by Monday so if you're at the comp then grab a copy there. And we will try get them into a few more bodyboarding friendly stores. If anyone owns or works for a store and wants to stock them then use the contact form to get hold of me.
If you want to see this work then please grab a ten pack. There is a R5 discount per copy so you can score five bucks for every copy you sell to your buddies.
SAL
June 2006
this is the kind of attitude that really hacks me off! Here we have two individuals who have put in their own hard earned cash to offer all you guys something great, something that you all want a platform to expose your talents and all you can do is moan and begrudge them a small profit (that is of course presuming that they may even make one)
Consider the time that Craig puts in taking pics of you guys while you are having fun in the waves think of the money that Jason put into the Cave rock event - so until you guys have the guts to match their input I suggest you take a long look inwards and perhaps start supporting them
Spy Dude
June 2006
ya.... if i was a rich man.................
June 2006
... and so it goes on...
umm yeah agree and disagree with other guys and agree with what Peter reckons.. if that make sense?
The end of the day ill be open that im a guy that likes to challenge opinions as thats just the way i am. Hey if im wrong then im wrong, but the the bigger picture of why i have challenged this is probably beyond what anyone thinks of why i had my opinions. Yes the end of the day we all need to work together and its good news to hear that its not inteffering with Logic mag and the guys back home in the market! We are all right in our own minds that is why we stand up excercise out beliefs
At the end of the day hell yea support the whole market in SA and abroad if need be.....But my reasons for starting this was is far greater then just an opinion which most will probably never realise and have a positive effect on things down the line....
If you think you know why then you will understand my opinion...
Later guys
Mark
that NINJA kid
June 2006
That is f*cking shocking.
As one of the 19 subscribers this makes no sense to me...
A sick international mag lands on our shores for less than half of what I was paying for every issue of the Riptide I was getting at the CNA and 19 people subscribe?!?!?! I thought the mail to all of us from Jason had a short list of recipients but really it's poo...
I hate to even think it won't be continued but what would happen with us as subscribers?
Digital Danny
July 2006
First, I want to make it very clear that I do not speak for Movement...I'm just one of their photogs that care about bodyboarders and their love for the sport and the ocean.
The 1st issue of the mag is great and will get even better! The next issue should have a feature on Dre in Indo scoring Super Suck and Scar Reef and the 3rd issue will have a feature on the 662mob Bali Freakfest that will include Andre and Craig.
There's plenty of room for both Logic and Movement in SA. Eddie even sent my Indo pics of Dre to Logic while we were still in Bali, so that should speak for itself in terms of what we really care about. Supporting bodyboarders worldwide. In my conversations with him, he considers Hawaii and South Africa his home's away from home. He loves that place and I have much respect for his friendship with, and significant financial support of, Andre and SA.
First of all, subscribe to the mag for your own enjoyment and stoke, and 2nd to support Jason and his commitment to you bodyboarders there and 3rd to support the long term continuation of a project that is motivated to benefit bodyboarding everywhere.
xHALFBINZx: why not give Movement a chance to prove itself first? You sound like a very bitter person and that dosen't make sense if you are a BZ team rider?
Ninja: if there are ever ANY problems with your subscription, I personally gaurantee you that it would be taken care of.
For now there are plenty of photos and stories of Dre's trip to Indo and Bali as well as a huge group of SA boogers at
http://www.662mob.com/community/html/ and
http://www.bodyboarder.com/news.php
Danny Black
Cultivating The Stoke With Aloha!
http://www.BodyboardersHawaii.com
[email protected]ryan
July 2006
Your next birthday present-
An annual Subscription to both Magazines!
July 2006
hey guys and gurls..
well dont have any issues with Jason, stayed with him the last season on the northshore....im going to step down from this topic now as think must of my work is done here.... its funny how far you can see and work things out when people are upset. Your abitlity and to understand becomes clouded and as mentioned my views and the starting of this is beyond the topic that is written up hear....work it out as its really simple why this topic is happening for the write reasons
JdV
July 2006
Why not buy both?
JFboard
July 2006
buy both
byron777
July 2006
Just wondering how the sales of movement are doing,are we going to see issue 2 here in sa or what?I hope so,such a sweet mag.I bought a couple issues and sold them to my friends so its sure got my support.
that NINJA kid
July 2006
My last post on this was posted while I was away in Indonesia and I questioned what would happen to us subscribers and still hoped to get home and find my new Movement when I returned but alas I have returned to nought.
While I understand Jason's frustration I am bummed to get home and not find my mag with no explanation. I am aware that no money has been withdrawn for the mag from my account but I am still puzzling as to whats happening, I mailed Jason on Tuesday or Wednesay last week and asked him what was happening and I've had no reply.
I feel this is a bit weak, do I go buy a mag now? Or am I going to do that and then get one in the post? I wouldn't actually mind 2 but I dropped the support when I was scratching cash together to go on my first trip overseas and it's poo the return I've been offered.
KellyJuly 2006 I checked with Jason some time back and he reckons he sent an email out to explain this. At the moment he is travelling so does not access his mail much.
I'm not sure what has happened but the confusion is unfortunate whatever the reason.
Subscriptions cannot be honored because the lack of support for subscriptions means that the mag will not sell this route which was going to be the most profitable avenue for the sport.
So, the mags are in SA now available at
http://www.factory7.co.za and a few selected surf stores.
If you purchase from F7 we'll include the DVD which you were promised. We have a list of subscribers but just add a note to your order comments to ensure this.
Anyone who has questions can direct them to me or post them on this forum which means more people will be helped out by the answers.
Hope your Indo trip was good bru!
Marthinus
July 2006
that NINJA kid, Ditto that bro same scenario here, when i got back from plett i was almost positive that my mag will be waiting in the post box for me...... i also tried mailing him but no reply..... Will just have to order it of F7 then, along with my INTABA tickets...
Shot for filling us in Kelly
Peter Lambert
July 2006
Kelly, how about bringing in the second mag in limited quantities into South Africa. Lets say 200-300 copies.... if these where sold at the SABA Events, and Provincial Trials then I am sure a number of copies could be moved. Also there should be some kind of 10 pack deal on Factory7 where the guy who bought the 10 pack could make a small profit, and maybe get a free DVD or something (Kelly I know this exists, but I am talking about issue 2 onwards). I think that one must always correctly estimate ones market... like with Lines of Fire... If we had just gone out and made 5000 DVD's then we would be bleak right now, but we made 100 and now we are looking at making another 100. If we sell 200 of the first DVD, then we will try and sell 300 of the next DVD and so on... So if movement can sell 200-300 copies first time round, then they should look at slowly increasing the quantity... I would encourage Jason to keep bringing the mag in, even if he doesn't sponsor events until the quantities are right.
Between the lines, If anyone wants to get a copy of movement (Issue1) in Cape Town for R 35.... just pop me an e-mail or p-m... you can also get from Factory7.co.za, I have some of Factory7's stock here in Cape Town for your convenince...
Ciao,
Peter
KellyJuly 2006 Thanks for the suggestions Peter. We're not the ones who are bringing it in (as you know) but I will do my best to try ensure we do continue to get the mag out to the guys who do want it. Whether it is viable - I do not know yet.
2,000 copies may have been ambitious but I think the perception was that guys would be amped and keen to support something that is good for the sport too.
The ten packs will always be available but they're not moving that well even now when they do have 10 free DVDs. ST has got one pack and Sean Tickner bought 3 so medal to that man! Apart from that, it is either a matter that things in SA bodyboarding land move so slowly that opportunities pass everyone by or everyone is just more interested in taking out from the sport what they can rather than putting a little back in too and realising that you can get as much stoke out of that as getting pitted.
sixty40! Take 60% out, put 40% back ... well, that was the hidden meaning behind the naming of this site and a good balance I thought. We'd be laughing if that was the case ...
that NINJA kid
July 2006
Shot for filling us in there Kelly...
Will be in touch with Derek to get one ASAP...
bodman
July 2006
Howzit ous,just on here for a minute.Sorry to those 19 subscribers,i emailed you to say theres no subs,you wont get billed and get your mags at Factory7and as for any more Movement mags go,doubt it.Ive passed the 2000 copies over to Factory7.Im traveling and cant spend a minute of my time running around after a useless cause. I feel too stupid that i tried to help the sport out by investing my money and basically getting a big "@#~€ you".Why i say that,not one of the 32 entrants of the comp bought a subscription.Guess they can all do dk rolls and 720,s,or 1 beer a month is better than a mag where the money paid for their comp.A couple guys like A.T do enough without having to buy a mag and Kelly just said that Sascha Specker is trying to get the mags into Sport,n,surf.Hope its with them feeding off the extra bbers rolling into their shop that makes them take the deal rather than adding massive profits on. Its a route i coulda done right in the beginning,given the mags to distributers and shops and cna,s etc and guess what,nothing for bbing cause all the money the mag generayed goes to them,and the mag endes up at 50,60,70 rand. Right now im still 4000 pounds down and Kelly just mailed to say the sales are still shocking. I,ll email him soon.I need to get rid of the mags and its just the expense i do it at.Should i take a 10 grand loss and sell them all to say Deon Bosman or the likes or pay for another comp for younger bbers. lets see,any ideas,ill be back on here,moneys almost out.later
KellyJuly 2006
Quote:
Kelly just said that Sascha Specker is trying to get the mags into Sport,n,surf
Make that Sascha Taljaard - he'll have some copies at the Wavehouse.
WP was selling at their trial on the weekend and Vaughn Harris is trying to get them into the stores he grafts at (although I haven't heard back in a few days) but maybe there will be some luck there for the Cape Town guys.
Otherwise - get to the Lines of Fire premiere. Peter will have some there and if he can confirm, I think he may have a special going.
Chinnychinchin
July 2006
Bodman that blows big-time......I can't believe that you end up 10 gorrillas down....thats just not right!!!!!!!!!!!! I subscribed and was getting a little knotted cause I'm waiting ssooo long, but after reading the true story......I feel for you bro....it's NOT right that all you got was 19 subs...that blows....whatsup with sponging in SA? 19!!!!! Thats less than 1 subscription per surf-spot in Cape Town, and I seriously doubt if there is only 1 BBer per spot who can afford a 300buck sub.....thats not right!
LISTEN UP EVERYONE...........
SUPPORT COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT BODYBOARDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shop at stores that sponsor bodyboarders, buy products that put money into our sport.....and support bro's who are trying to put Bbing companies together.......throwing money at big surf lables who couldnt give a rats arse about our sport and its riders.....is sssooo wrong man!!!!!!
SmTJuly 2006 I got my MOVEMENT MAG!!!
It's definitely worth it, sick shots and slick design. Good seeing Bodyboarding from other parts of the world and not having to pay an arm and a leg for it!
Big Thanks to Factory7 for the snappy delivery and if anyone in the Durban area wants a copy, let me know and to everyone else, get one from Factory7 pronto!
jbs
July 2006
got my copy yesterday and it's just sooooooooooooooooooo good. The layout and editorial is really unique and fresh and the photos are just mental!!! you're seriously missing out if u dont have a copy!
DarkhorseJuly 2006hmmm.
well boddy bro bleak man!
im full on with u, but seriously im pretty over all this support this support that!
what boddy did was epic for everyone.
but at the end of the day i think ppl must realize that money sucks and waves rule! haha
plz man, just flipin go geta tonnel, i couldnt care whats goin on at other surf spots, as long as ive got a 4 ft swell running and nice offshore breezes, stoker!
support the WAVES that support u!
(it doesnt involve cash)
oh ya.... and now im proly gonna get hounded, so bring it on....
July 2006
got my movement today...its good but it has lots of the same fotos the riptide had...still pretty sick.
but im with darkhorse on this one, i think most boogers in SA just enjoy BB'ing and do it for the stoke...They dont want to be bothered about what they wear and what they buy and shit like that, they just wanna boogy all day loooong.
cheers
Marthinus
July 2006
Awesomo3000 wrote:
They don’t want to be bothered about what they wear and what they buy and shit like that
cheers
Okay, but how can one not 'care' what companies you are buying from? - if you don't ever want to see bodyboarding grow then that’s the way to think, but surly this is not the case?
The thing is: you have to be bothered about who you are supporting, why go out and buy a Billabong shirt, when Billabong does absolutely JACK SH!T for the bodyboarding industry in SA, when there are companies like HOE, KRONIC and NO FRIENDS just to name few, who are 100% bodyboarding supportive?!
I'm not even going to go down the road with Volcom......... Lets just say every time a bodyboarder purchases a Volcom product its like three stabs to the hart for the bodyboarding industry... These oaks don't just not support us but, are actually anti-bodyboarding, e.g. they make all their employees and sponsored persons sign a contract to never be seen on a bodyboard.....
And im so sick and tired of people saying they would buy from bodyboarding clothing brands if they could find them - there is no longer an excuse all you need to do is simply log on to
http://Factory7.co.za !
Just think about where your money is going the next time you go
shopping.
This is a subject i could go on about forever........
byron777
July 2006
you ous got it wrong,I bodyboard because I love it-just like you,its in my blood,its what I grew up doing.IM A BODYBOARDER.So at the end of the day,I'm not going to buy from companies that diss bodyboarding,screw billabong,quiksilver and volcom.I hate those anti-bodyboarding brands.-with a passion-I bodyboard so I support those who understand the lifestyle Ive chosen,by doing this I put more money back into the sport,helping it grow and hopefully it will become a booming industry.So I am one of the bodyboarders who hates wearing anti bodyboarding brands.You guys can wear youre volcom and crap,whatever makes you happy,But I wont be seen dead in any of that crap.
Marthinus
July 2006
KellyJuly 2006
Darkhorse wrote:
jesus ruels, no one else does
... your words. Bodyboarding is not a god or religion but it is something which means something to a few people and if you want people to allow you to make this statement about things you believe in then you should allow others to do likewise. Besides - this is a bodyboarding site ... I expect preaching about bodyboarding topics on sixty40 way more than I expect preaching about religion, so maybe you're on the wrong site?
But jokes aside, yes ... everyone is over it! This is the whole point! Why, for example, should anyone have to tell you to go buy your board from a store which puts money back into our sport rather than a store who takes your money and puts it into another sport. I can just hear them behind the counter - "Thank you very much - sucker!"
And this is as much a point as any - we are suckers and these guys/companies are getting rich while doing nothing - they're not advertising, sponsoring or doing anything else to make us want to buy their product or purchase from their store - but we do.
We're not asking anyone to do much other than think about where and on what they spend their money but thankfully for us though, there are guys out there who care a bit more about the sport. If there weren't, you wouldn't be able to buy the bodyboarding products which you have now - the guys would realise that getting involved in the bodyboarding industry is a lost cause and give up before even starting.
Lines of Fire for example ... do you think Peter is going to make back anything close to what he put into the DVD? Have a look in the credits where he notes how much has been spent on putting together the DVD - you'll get a shock. As a business venture, this is the stupidest move he could have ever made. All some of us are asking is that you support these guys - rather than making them look like bigger idiots than they already are.
Jason was an idiot to think the bodyboarding community wanted and would buy an international magazine, let alone the guys who rode the contest which he sponsored.
And Craig is certainly an idiot running a magazine which costs more to print than it brings in through advertising.
But these guys love the sport and I ask that, if you can afford, that you support them for their efforts and for what they have brought us.
But yes, I'm tired of replying to these posts ... maybe I'm as big an idiot as the rest, sixty40 should shut down, Logic should close shop, SABA should give up and the guys running bodyboarder owned companies should all just throw in the towel and we can go back to the days when most companies were non-bodboarder owned, where bodyboarders don't have a say in the products which are sold to us or the magazines which are fed to us.
I could go on forever - you have me sounding like a preacher now. But I guess, as that guy at the front of your church thinks he is qualified to share his spiritual advice, I feel that with my extra few years experience, I may have a bit of advice to share on what would help our sport move forward ... and that just maybe, I may be right??? That you'll decide though.
But above all, after close on 3 years of running sixty40, with the time and money I've injected into more than just the site and to date not asked or received one cent in return (nor had anything offered) I feel I have the right to ask one thing:
I do this so that you can score your 4ft "tonnel" and come back and share the stoke with me and others ... I do it because I want to put something back but if I can ask one thing, it is that you think about what gear you buy and where you buy it from. That you spend a measly R15 on buying your own copy of Logic and get yourself your own copy of the latest DVD if you can afford. And that if you see your buddy not doing the same that you have a word and try explain the benefits of showing a little support.
(and forget about Factory 7 - go buy your gear from anyone who is supporting our sport and I'll be stoked. Factory 7 we launched to give you guys a service which you didn't have before and somewhere to go buy your gear if you can't find anywhere else. We want Factory 7 to succeed along with the guys who have long supported the sport before we came along.)
We don't need an army of bodyboarders all trying to get onto the SABA committee ... just enjoy bodyboarding and being part of the sport but just have a little think before you pull out your wallet - you'll probably get better service and after sales service if they are bodyboarder owned or friendly and if it is about a better deal at the other store then you have nothing to lose by saying - "Hey, Shop X is selling this at X price how about matching that" ... chances are, they will.
This is pretty much an effortless request, just clear a bit of salt water from between the ears so you can think clearly ... Shop A vs Shop B, Product A vs Product B, Local DVD vs No Local DVDs ... it's always your call, would just like to know that there is some thinking going into it.
One last thing:
Darkhorse wrote:
well boddy bro bleak man!
im full on with u, but seriously im pretty over all this support this support that!
what boddy did was epic for everyone.
Bruce - apart from some of that being contradictory - did you get yourself a copy? Otherwise I'm not sure you're full on with him on this one. Being full on with him would actually be understanding what a R40,000 gamble on the fickle SA bodyboarding community feels like - and unfortunately in the real world, "getting a tonnel" doesn't pay the debts - if the support was there and there were magazines which were paying then maybe Jason could put his life on the line, get pitted off his head and sort out the debts. Ironically, this is exactly what he is trying to do - make your fantasy world come true. Buying a magazine will help, buying ten and selling them to your buddies will help more.
And don't read Bruce's (darkhorse) post and then agree with him and then read mine and then agree with me. Just make up your own mind ... if people used their brain then we wouldn't be in this situation.
byron777
July 2006
Shot marthinus.darkhorse and awesommo3000- kelly just clapped you ous with a snot klap!!!
thanks kelly,I couldnt agree with you more.
Marthinus
July 2006
^^^^Ditto, Kelly layed the facts out pretty damn straght....
PS. this has go to be some kind of a record 6 replys in 10 mins.....
KellyJuly 2006
byron777 wrote:
thanks kelly,I couldnt agree with you more.
Thanks really to you guys - makes my efforts worthwhile. It's not much we're asking - just think before you hand over your hard earnt cash. You or your ballies grafted hard for it so make sure it goes to some one who deserves it.
As for "snot klap" ... heavy handed for sure, but guys please don't take this as a personal attack --- this is what a forum is all about and I appreciate you posting your views rather than having those views and not posting them.
scroffmeister
July 2006
Well I have read this thread from start to finnish on more than one occasion and I dont really see the issue here. Jason decided that he wanted to put something back into a sport he has been involved in for longer than most of us have even bodyboarded, I respect him for that and feel a little sorry for him that it didnt work out as planned, however its not really Jason that is the only one losing out here, the BBing community in SA is losing out, this guy was prepared to put his money into you guys, so ultimatley you not supporting him really equates to you guys not supporting your own sport in SA ( ok apart from the 19 guys that bought subs )
I support bodyboarding, in fact I spent more money on train fare and a three hour trip from the suburbs to go and collect my copy of Lines of Fire from Kelly here in London than what the DVD actually cost me, it was worth every little penny in my opinion.I bodyboard because I love the sport, I buy the mags and DVDs because I want to read them, watch them, I buy as much as I can from the companies that support BBing, be it here in the UK or the US , OZ and even in SA. I like Logic because it is a local mag, thats the reason why I buy it yet at the same time I want to read all the mags, not just one that happens to be local.
In the UK there is a small BBing community and the guys are super friendly, none of this attitude in the water of who is superior to another, we all have the stoke from doing a sport we love and a sport we support and believe me its takes a plenty of "love" for a sport to drive 5 hours in nightmare traffic to find the wind onshore the waves small and the water freezing and yet still paddle out. Yet ThreeSixy magazine thrives even though the Editor is very aware of how easy it is for us over here in the UK to get any other BBing publication we want to get, we read ThreeSixy because it is local, it has local waves, local riders and they are not only putting something back into bodyboarding they are also raising the profile of the sport here in the UK.
Stop this complaining about who did or didnt buy the magazine, after all those that didnt are the ones losing out, those competitors who didnt buy a sub or even one mag will soon be bleating on about the lack of support for them, the Pros, the ones that decided to make a living out of the sport, thats their choice, not mine and just like they decided not to buy the mag , well that was there choice too.
Buy Logic and buy Movement, possibly the best R50 you guys could possibly spend.
Viva la Boogie
DarkhorseJuly 2006 ok great.
thanks very much.
i can full on see where ure coming from.
at the end of the day, i really am over all these "issues". and yes i do support alot of booger brands by the way.
(if that makes u happy, as it makes me happy).
and id like to say thanks kelly for the sickest site on the web. this is where i spend most of my time. well done!
emphasis i still needs to be in the heart of it all on bodybaording as the most fun thing ever.
and yesssssssssss i see why support is needed.
but im over all this posting.
surf time. ag i dont even know whats goin on, i just wanna surf. issues smissues. so confused i dont even knwo what im writing!?!
bye
July 2006
I was not saying that you shouldnt support BB company's... I buy from factory7 every time they have something that i like... I have logic's, a threesixty mag, a few riptides, a movement and what not, but BB'ing clothes dont just fall out of the air. And beginning last year I was still standup surfing, so I couldnt burn all my Billabong clothes? And then there's the matter of surfing clothes in BB vids, eg. In the joker all that Andrew Lester wears are billabong T's, In shiftworks mitch, jeff and others are using billabong suits...In mags the okes are BB'ing in hawaii with Billabong and Quicksilver boardshorts... These are the guys who set the example right? Its just abit crazy...At least if you bodyboard you have a bodyboard and thats supporting too, but then you must have a Rossi otherwise your not supporting local company's again....! If none of my points are valid I shall retire from ocean BB'ing and go find those "lake" waves in the movement
far away from the ensuing madness.
SmTJuly 2006 Just to add 2c to awesemo3000's comment:
Guys like Mitch, Lackey and a couple of the other Aus Pros are sponsored by Billabong INTERNATIONAL, they get good money from them, Mitch was actually surfing at Shippies with AI, Parko and the rest of the Billabong stand-up crew and apparently they were blown away!
Billabong in S.A is a different story, Dre wasn't sponsored by them he also had the Int sponsor.
Cheron Kraak, the woman behind Country Feeling and Billabong in S.A couldn't care less about Bodyboarding here, so that would be the point in not supporting them locally!
Quiksilver confuses me, isn't Spex sponsored by them? I dunno?
To Darkhorse, EXPAND your HORIZONS! Don't be so narrow minded, support the other guys because you want to and you feel good inside once you know you may have altered bodyboarding in S.A in a tiny way, but that's one way of looking at it! Just like you getting a sick water tonnell and having that rush some people get that from knowing they are trying to help the sport they love.
If we ever had a Bodyboarder's Hall of Fame, my vote would be for Kelly all they way, we would ALL be in complete darkness if it wasn't for sixty40!
Keep up the hard work, you know who you are!
Jared HoustonJuly 2006sheez i havent commented in ages.
my point of view on this whole situation is a simple on,i cant sit here and tell evryone to support coz dont have a sub..and the embarrasing thing is i was a rider at the cave rock and im still not a subscriber.
However,i am selling movements at my school,and we,wp as a province are selling them at our trials and prizegivings.but that still doesnt exscuse me from the sub thing and i am gonna go al out to get one now.
To jason and to kelly,jason you are a beast bro for putting that kind of money into the scene we love,thanks bro.sorry that i have not supported you so far but better late than never hey.Just push on as far as you can and see if things get better,ous are starting to wake up now so maybe give it time,but that is expensive so you do whatever is best.
Kelly,you are a real badass for doing this site,this thing is what holds sa bodyboarding together,logic is doing great but there is still alot of room to improve,sixty40 however is at the top of its game,i cruise fluidzone lank and i see how amped those ozzies are,the amp here is almost matching it which is impressive considering how big the sport is there compared to here
this is what sa bb needs,support like kelly and jason are giving!!!!!!you ous are legends.
so ja,thats my take,and yeah bong are wankers,screw them.volcom sucks to the max.and quik,well they confuse me as well,and yeah smt spex does ride for them.they sort him out pretty kief but not like the surfers.
keep the stoke ous its lank encouraging.
Jared
byron777
July 2006
just wondering,lank ous tuning they buy riptide mags here in SA.from where and who distributes Riptide mags here ?
July 2006
Every 3 months a Riptide pops up in the local CNA...or a threesixty.
byron777
July 2006
The last time I saw a threesixty mag at CNA was years ago,I have never seen a riptide at CNA though,its a pity,all they have is ASL,TRACKS,TRANSWORLD SURF,SURFING and SURFER
DarkhorseJuly 2006 exclusive books at v&a waterfront has riptide and threesixty i think?
i just go read it every time i go there. lank expensive,but u'll check the pages are all turned,cause everyone reads and doesnt buy. including me.
same price as a book.
flip
scroffmeister
July 2006
I have a few ThreeSixty mags that I would more than happily post to any of you guys back in SA, free , for nothing you wouldnt have to pay a cent. I subscribe and have subscribed for about 3 years now, so have quite a few issues , if anyone wants a copy I will send you one or two, maybe you guys could pass them on when you have finished up with them. Up to you really, just let me know.
deejay
August 2006
Here's my 2cents. I haven't gone all the way back through and read every half arse complaint about this topic, so if I say something thats already been said, then deal with it. Halfbinz, don;t know who you are, or maybe I do, but not bothered right now.
If you knew how much effort and cash that Boddy has actually put into getting Movement in SA, you'd cry. He's dug into his own pocket, and forked out more cash then you get from your "BZ Cali sponsorship", oh wait, they probably dont pay you. A board here and there, get real, that's not a sponsor. You'll be lucky if theres one guy in SA thats sponsored. All Jason has tried to do is give back to a sport that has given him so much, and taken him so many places. He's asked for nothing in return. He's not trying to take Logic out of business, he's actually tried to work with them, to try and help their sales. For someone to have a few less beers on the weekend to buy a mag isn't a huge thing, and in the long run it gets cash back into the sport, not Jasons pocket. After putting in the cash to the contest up front, all he gets is guys like you trying to make out as though he's in it for the cash, not even a thanks from the riders. Oh wait he didn't even get a mention in the write up about the contest, instead some guy who forecast the waves gets a write up and he put in jack. South Africa is way behind in things, and its not going to get better til guys stick together and work together, and not "Shny" each other everytime one tries to help our sport. And as for Hawaii, don't even let me catch you bringing that attitude over there. The South African's have built up a good reputation over there, and generally get on well with everyone, we don't need some HalfArse coming and screwing it up for the rest of us. To the guys that have supported Jasons project, thanks. Darrel.
Darryn Stephen
August 2006
there is one thing that i have noticed about bodyboarders, WE COMPLAIN TOO MUCH!!!
I was reading a SA bodyboarding mag, its like 6 years old, and while reading it all i found was that it was full of complaints. we need to stop with this sad act and move on.
Swak moves for Jason, i dont know the whole story but i think trying to exclude distributors may not have been the best move.
With regards to the bodyboarding mags, I think guys should buy Logic Mags over international ones, its R15 and its good value for money. This is where local guys will get the coverage and can be used as a platform to build the sport. Viva La Boogie!
I know this looks like a contradiction, complianing about complaining but it needs to be said.
Lakka
Ryanstar
August 2006
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