more logic rumours!!

puku
July 2005
Ok guys i dont wanna sound like some gossip queen or some shit like that but this has been worrying me. i heard that logicmag is a "buddy mag". a.k.a only people who know the editor will be in the mag. is this true or whats the story? im not trying to bring logic down or anything cause its a sick mag and il always support is unless it turns to surfing which i reckon will never happen, but thats quite swak if thats the true story. also the logic crew service is pretty good choons 1 of my connections, cause he had a slight problem with the mag and e-mailed them. the logic crew cleared up his problems and offered to send the next mag to his doorstep, an offer that my connection accepted with stoke. so please tell whats happening
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Mark
July 2005
i think thats only a rumour someone started because he was sorrow that he couldnt get in the mag.how sad.
Kelly
July 2005
Logic is a fairly new mag trying to make it in a sport which does not have the support from the industry which it deserves. Therefore, Logic is relying a lot on contributions from photographers at present and whenever you rely on favours it is always your friends who are there for you - hence, someone has perceived this as a "buddy mag" and so we have this rumour.

Logic needs your support - both through buying a copy and standing up for them when you hear rumours like this. Craig has taken a risk by starting up a mag in a sport which historically has not supported its own very well and we owe it to him to give him our support.

As a sport we need a profitable magazine and by showing your support by purchasing a subscription or edition you are helping Logic work towards a goal of being able to buy more images and editorial content so that we as a sport are supporting our photographers and bodyboard journalists.

Now is the time for us to try and stand together as a sporting community and realise that each of us can make a difference - lack of action means we stay exactly where we are. So check out the new Logic website http://www.logicmag.com - specifically the subscriptions page and order yourself a subscription if you haven't already got one! And get your mates on the case!

Also, if you have concerns/suggestions/feedback - use the contact page to get hold of them. I can't guarantee you will get a reply or what you want (I'm not sure what their policy is) but the guys want to hear from you and with feedback from their readers it will make their job easier instead of guessing what you guys want.
puku
July 2005
i hear you kelly. ive been a subscriber since issue 2 and i will be for a long long time. i couldnt stand up for logic when i heard this rumour cause i knew nothing about it,thats why i made a post to see what you guys know. i heard that you will only be in the mag if you are friends with craig,the editor, wich is obviously not true,that,you guys cleared up for me.im not trying to bring logic down or anything of the sort cause they are doing good for bodyboarding in s.a.
so guys,support logic and then we wont get stupid rumours like this 1. and by the way,theres a cool survey on their website.
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Kelly
July 2005
Shot bru - what I didn't put across in my post was that I'm stoked you raised it so that you were able to find out the real deal. Another point is that the South African riders are generaly quite slack, they do not try and hook up with photographers for photo shoots but rather think that since they are a hot rider shots of them should somehow magically appear in the mags and feel hard done by when they are not. SO if you want shots of you to be considered then you need to make the effort to work with a photograher - get them submitted to Logic and hopefully they make the cut ... but be realistic and extremely self-critical - if the shot does not cut the mustard then don't have an unnecessary go at the mag - just try step it up and get some better shots in. I know nothing about publishing a mag but I can only imagine that there is a lot to consider for each shot - will it work with the issue, does it relate to any article, will it help sell issues - has the rider made a name for themselves?

Anyway puku - that's just a bit of comment for everyone reading - to you and everyone, I would just re-iterate ... send some feedback to Logic via their website. You can only address an issue if it is brought to your attention.
puku
July 2005
ja i hear you again kelly. il e-mail them now and tell them whats happening at this here forum. also what you said about the riders being slak,so true. i think the riders are expecting photographers to be all over and take shots of them and then send them off to logic. especially down here in natal cause ive seen hardly any coverage from here. but il e-mail them about it and see what they say.
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mopman365
July 2005

Kelly wrote:
... helping Logic work towards a goal of being able to buy more images and editorial content so that we as a sport are supporting our photographers and bodyboard journalists....

Hi there,

I'm new here. 32 year old dad, photographer, kiter, surfer and ex-bodyboarder. I'd like to know if Logic pays real money for photographic contributions? I've sent some photos in for Craig's other mag (Gust), which they published (full page nogal), but no mention of payment.

Got some nice photos of 4 grazy guys riding Diaz shorey on Saturday. I could go through the effort of editing and burning a CD for Logic, but only if they'll make some contribution towards my equipment debt.
BB4life
July 2005
Hey Andre,

Dude, if I was you, I wouldnt worry about getting paid for photos being published, cos from my point of view getting one of my pics published when contrubutes arnt always run would make me feel stoked!

But heres the thing, a friend of mine complained that he had sent some of his best photography work OF THE YEAR (and belive me hes an excellent photographer but I wont tell you his name you probably already know him, but I digress) and Logic didnt even publish one measly photo... If you ask me, theres something wrong here...

Logic are saying that we must support the BB industry, but he went ahead DIRECTLY and helped them inject some real juice into their mag, yet they didnt acknowledge the contribution, hence "the buddy mag" scandal...

I know how hard a mag can be, cos Im trying to get my B&W 'zine out there but with all the cost, and screw ups (I had to start over my WHOLE first issue again cos some photo-copier threw up all my hard work out the wrong angle due to my pathetic layout, setting me back a month, twisting and tweaking it here and there. But I must say, all the hard work leaves me feeling amped about my creation, so keep a look out for Reversemag, hitting beaches and post boxes soon I promise> email: [email protected]) it really is dam hard work...

Im not putting Logic down, as they make some real good mags, its just if they published EVERYTHING THAT LOOKS SICK in their mag then heads will be turning, balls will start rolling and the kids will start learning... hehehehe....

But people should realise we cant just have an awesome mag spontaniously combust into the market with everything being cool. Oh no my friend, it takes time.
Look at it this way, were the surf mags like Zig Zag and Amped SUPERB on their first issues? OF COURSE NOT!!!

Its gonna take a little bit of time before we can start getting mags thick with nice photos, glossy pages, free DVDS (that will be the day hey!!!) and well written articles...

SO CHIN UP!!! AND SUPPORT LOGIC MAG COS THEY ARE DOING GREAT!!!!

Jack de Jong
Cape Town
SmT
July 2005
Hey Jack,
Firstly you're right in saying that you should be stoked to get a pic published, it's not always about the money!
But what you said about your friends photos, it's all very subjective, you might think they're sick shots but like Kelly said earlier you need to tie them in with the Mag, is everyone going to like them and do they fit in the issue???
You can't just say that Craig should put all your friends pics in because then the mag would be great, those extra pages cost more and money doesn't fall from trees!
I'm not trying to diss you or your mate but try look at it from both angles, personally I think Craigs doing a good job with what meagre support there is in this sport!
I'm going to keep sending him pics, I don't care if he uses them or not or if I don't get payed I just do it because I LOVE BODYBOARDING and Scotch, I LOVE SCOTCH, Scotch, Scotch, Scotch!!!!
mopman365
July 2005
Hey Jack & SmT,

Cheers for the replies.

I did feel stoked when they published 3 of my photos in Gust (they even gave me credit for one of them ), but then I started thinking:

What if these guys get better photos from pro-photographers, but choose to only publish whatever they can get for free (or whatever photos THEY've taken). That kinda takes the satisfaction out of it for me.

But I hope I'm wrong and that they do actually pay for editorial content. I also hope that they don't just complain about not getting sponsors and that they actually hunt Vodacom's, MTN's, CellC's, etc. marketing departments to sponsor a quality mag with quality content.

I also hope to be able to buy at least one bottle of Jameson from my next published shot - whereever that will be.
Jaco Loubser
July 2005
I agree with what everybody is saying but I disagree on the fact of the publishing free or cheap photographs. A couple of my friends have had photo's published in the logic mag (including 3 covers and numerous double spreads) and these people have not been paid yet for the shots. These are not your average joe's with mik and druk cameras that gets the shots and is stoked to get it published. These are guys that have R100,000.00 setups, housings, fish eyes etc. This money from photography is what they rely on to go on trips and pay there camera debt. Everybody wants to see good photos and will support any mag with quality photo's but then they have to realise that not paying them, not answering their calls, ignoring their e-mails is not going to make them give any more shots.

You can not expect to publish proffesional peoples photo's and not be paying them a year or two after the magazine was started. Its understandible that at the beginning of a magazine a lot of capital is invested and payments are hard. This does not however quantify a non payment without any explanation.

I feel very strong about this as all those guys are over supporting the mag, and why should they. The one guy is shooting for amped now and gets paid every time for every shot and they also just started.

Its all good to support the magazine, but while they are pocketing the cash from sales and advertising, they are losing the top photographers and the top shots are fading already.

Jaco Loubser
simon hagen
July 2005
I get what all you are saying, I can totally understand how you feel about taking photos and not getting paid for the use of them.

what you all need to know and understand is that Craig, the owner of LOGIC isn't making any money from the magazine yet. all the money the mag makes goes into repro. the money from purchasing the mag, goes to repro, the money from advertising, goes into repro, it all goes into repro!!!!

Craig has hassles every month from people, why aren't you paying me for my photos and so on. but what you all don't see is that most of the time Craig himself is working production, helping out on photo shoot for whatever just to cover his own bills because he doesn;t make enough to live of, infact he doesn't make money from the mag. he doesn't pocket the money as most of you think. he puts it straight into the mag for repro, without him doing that, there would simply be no mag!!!! sometimes he has to even put some of his own cash to make sure repro happens.

none of you know the hassles Craig goes through just to make sure every issue happens.

take a look at any mag and I can tell you now that chances are when they started out no one got paid for photos or contributions or anything like that. you all gotta understand that it takes a lot of time to start turning over a profit and to be able to pay people what they should be paid.

it also goes back to the supporting the companies that support your sport. think about this, you go out and buy a billabong top, you've just paid for some advertising in a surfing magazine completely going against what you all beleive about supporting our companies, because you did that and didn't buy a brand that supports bodyboarding you are taking advertising away from the mag and money that could be used to pay the photographers, so think about that!!!!

and give Craig a bit of a break. how would you feel if you tried your hardest to do something for the good of the sport and you had people saying things behind you back when they don't even know the whole story and what's really going on, put yourself in his shoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jaco Loubser
July 2005
I see the point for sure and I know quite a bit of how things used to be run when Cullum was around but capital can only work for you if you keep the people happy. I have been working in the financial industry for two years now and one thing I have learned is that if you keep pumping money into your company without settling debts it is going to catch up and the cashflow is going to get caught up in the magazine.

Once this has happened no money is ever going to be available for these payments and thats what pisses people off.

I agree with the fact that he has done a lot for the sport but if your going to tie your cash flow in capital then let the photographers know. I know for a fact not one of those photographers or the guys that has done editorial have been given an explanation as to why they are not getting paid or when they will get paid. And the poohhh is going to hit the fan when these guys get lawyers letters, because they also have bills to pay and is also doing a lot for the sport but they not getting the cashflow to support themselves or their profession.

A magazine is a business, people have to realise it, it is a risky business but you have to face your responsibillity of supporting and paying the people who gave you your cashflow becuase without them there will be nothing.

Sorry Simon if im comming over to strong, maybe I have seen companies go down this way too often.

Adios
JAco LoUbser
Kelly
July 2005
Just to re-iterate Simon's point - Logic would be less likely to be in this situation if we did not continue to support brands which do not support our sport - so the blame lies on all of our shoulders. We've been doing it for years to our own detriment - so if we are buying these brands then we should be sorting ourselves out before throwing criticism at Logic which is in this situation in a big part due to us.

This is not directed at anyone in particular - but I do think we should try sort ourselves out rather than carrying on as we are, basically working against the efforts which Craig is putting in to try make Logic a profitable business so it can support its photographers.

Do your sport a favour - get yourself a subscription, take a look at who is advertising and support them next time you open your wallet - if a company is making money out of a sport then the very least they should be doing is supporting it's magazine by advertising in it.

At the moment it might not be easy to find the brands you are after but try make a bit of effort and if you cannot find them then go for a no-name brand.
Spy Dude
July 2005
um??????, it costs me money to take photos, i have given heaps away for free, i am not a millionare and thus have stopped my contributions to local magazines, Wavescape helps me with my costs sothat 60/40 can benefit but thats about it.
I am sorry this is a professional game we are playing in, money motivates, end of story.
Treat people with respect and respect will be shown back, but repect dont put film in the camera or buys a new lens.
Go shoot the pros or work?? hmm tough choise, especially considering that the chances of a lcal magazine actualy using your work is pretty slim.
Even this sports local photogrpaher heros dont contribute at all to the mag or 60/40 (doug and caleb) why... well becasue of money. Photography isnt just standing on a beach taking photos, grated its allot easier when daddy sponcers your equipment, but for me, everything has come out of my pocket.
So ya.
I will always support 60/40 though.
TAMEGA
July 2005
Could someone possibly contact Craig and ask him to reply to any of this - i think the best point of view would be his? Just a thought.

T
simon hagen
July 2005
no worrie JC, i know what you saying and i understand.

but the point I was trying to make is that yes people should be paid but how? the money that has been made has gone into repro, without that money going into repro how would the mag be printed and how would the photographers get paid and how would the people benifit from the photographers photos and the mag if it didn't get printed?

the mag would go broke and people would still be pissed off at Craig for trying to do something for the good of the sport that's taken a huge toll on him. i'm not backing anyone here, I can see both sides of the page.

lets all have peace and harmony(threw that cause I'm bored while I'm thinking)

it's the bloody surf companies fault, they hog everything!!!!! bastards!!!!!!!!!
Marthinus
July 2005
Has anyone seen Craig's Interview, Article and Shots in the latest issue (July) of 'Blunt' magazine
BB4life
July 2005
so i take it that people would shoot for logic if their was pay invovled..

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