po10cy
August 2008
hahah if only stealing was an olympic event we'd rock it!
lyle
August 2008
hahaha!! nice one spy
Elianderthehateful
August 2008
lame.
Such a pity that this is how we approach the Olympics, possibly the greatest showpiece for human potential, both athletic and social.
Spy Dude
August 2008
Eli... tis not my joke, but it the fastest joke going around SA.
but it funny
so far you the only one who went... lame.
lyle
August 2008
bru this is a kak funny joke.
i told black friends, they laughed, i told white friends they laughed. i told ozzie mates and they went huh??
bottom line, its a south african joke!!! you gotta love it!!
byron....?
August 2008
ok...who saw how fast that jamacan guy was!
Chinnychinchin
August 2008
Only steroids can make someone run that fast. No doubt about it. How can someone beat the worlds best by such a huge margin that you can jog over the line AND still turn around to laugh at the competition and still smash the world record. IMPOSSIBLE. His record is only .1 of a second slower than Ben Johnson's 3x horse-steroid induced record time. No ways, never....Sounds a lot like the tour de France to me....a whole bunch of top riders get bust for steroids but the guy in the lead is "clean".....ummmm how does that work?
byron....?
August 2008
the 1 guy sliped in the rely and they stil broke the record! way overboard!
Elianderthehateful
August 2008
It's called human advancement.
People's bodies and sports science evolves, and so the records will tumble too.
Usain Bolt's runnign style is unique and that track was fuckin fast as well. It was just bound to happen...just like Michael Johnson's 200m and 400m records stood for so long! When he ran people thought he was out of this world...
Michael Phelps is a phenom, yet he goes through extra drug tests just to prove he is clean.
What's the point of a world record if every body goes balistic about drugs when someone smashes it?
Who are we to say that X is the limit of human potential? We don't know? Maybe the 100m can be run in 9 sec. flat? I think it's exiting to see this evolution with our own eyes!
I'm sure drugs are involved in sports everywhere, but to just assume abuse whenever someone outperforms the competition by a mile is just sad.
By that line of reason we should still be doing handdrags and nobody should be surfing 70ft Tafelberg!
There's soooo much money being poured into athletics (outside RSA
) and so too the science improves and people get faster. The UK cycling team alone pushed more than a billion pounds of Lottery money in making sure they are on top. And they killed the competition...
Lance Armstrong's Team Discovery Channel pushed billions into redefining the way we look at aerodynamics in cycling and training and tactics. Drugs? I don't think so. These are just people that are waaaaay ahead of the game and we're all sour grapelets...
Spy Dude
August 2008
and all we do is push millions and millions of rands into shopping trips in dubia, luxuary 4x4's and big houses in sandton. We also fork out millions a year in maitence to our 10 wifes and 400 children.
We also plug millions into randomly throwing billions down the toilet...
Elianderthehateful
August 2008
Yep...if the Lotto money was actually pushed into redevelopement of the community (of which sport could potentially be a big part) then I would say, ok fine, fuck sport, our people need houses and food and schools. But these cunts are just spending it all on their own fat asses and nothing gets done, because they have that lekker little black sheep scapegoat called Apartheid and the Afrikaner. Ons vir jou Suid-Afrika indeed!!!
lyle
August 2008
hey dudes. just so everyone knows, there is some good in SA. SA lotto sponsored alot of cash for developing border hockey grounds. im sure it was a few mil or something like that. we then hosted a few international friendlies. but ja, seeing that, and seeing the mills that get frauded makes you realise that everyone played straght SA could, i repeat, could be a force.
i also think we will never be a force because what we (i am white) the whites did. but i wasnt around then so it suck that im getting punished! but lets be honest, if i was black i wouldnt vote white either as id be scared it would happen all over again. our only hope is a coloured president!
no seriously, in time, the older generation who experienced racism will pass, and the younger generation will hopefully be less raciall and get it right. im talking 2/3 generations time. uk, usa all experienced racism like our but with laws and time its better. still there amongst a few, but better. the best one can do is to play his role.
we should all be bob marley fans
thats my thoughts.
peace
Spy Dude
August 2008
Ahhhh.... the good ol race card, South Africa's get out of jail free card, best excuse for stuffing up over and over again, works everytime. Sooner or later you gonna have to realise thats the biggest bullshit excuse i have ever heard. Take a look at the rest of Africa, countrys that have been ravished by genocide (no white man involved) with zero funding did better than us. If we were 2 yrs into our democracy then ya well no fine, but bru, its been a while 1994 was like last melenimum.
Lyle... KUK statement bru, now go to the yard and beat your self with a big stick.
peterbee
August 2008
Sorry to disagree, Spy, but there were no black guys involved in the Bosnia Herzegova genocides, nor were there any black Nazis, or in Stalin's massive massacres... Also, if you read up about the genocides in Rwanda you'd find that a lot of the tribal hatreds were exacerbated by white colonial policies of putting the Tutsis (paler, taller) in positions above the Hutus (darker, shorter).
I'm gonna back you up for saying what you feel (although I disagree) but I'm also gonna say respect to Lyle for being positive and saying what he feels in the face of adversity - no sticks in the yard, man!
Spy Dude
August 2008
Pete missed my point, stop getting your parrot to read the internet bru!
Not gonna debate this.
peterbee
August 2008
My parrot says he's coming to prize-giving tomorrow, 'cos he wants to talk to you
peterbee
August 2008
...and yeah, I see you were making a different point entirely. Cool!
Spy Dude
August 2008
Chinnychinchin
August 2008
"It's called human advancement"......Ummmm I don't think so, chemical advancement maybe. Sure training techniques have improved, but so has the chemical warfare. The masking drugs have gotten more and more advanced, but unfortunately the testing methods have not. Thats a fact. But "innocent until proven guilty" so well done to all the record breakers.
The UK spent 22 million pounds on their cycling team alone and guess what?? they kicked ass. I bet we spent a whole lot less than 22 million RAND on our whole team, salaries, flights and accom. included.....the flea-market style "sponsored" kit they got didn't even fit them....what a joke, our poor tennis player got voted worst kit of the games....tell me someone didn't get a kick-back of some kind to "organise' that embarisment , looked like it was made by someones Ouma in their garage. Please, that whole socio-economic argument is a smoke screen. Sure we need to solve poverty and crime, but I work for one of the top sports brands in the world and believe me there is plenty and I mean plenty of money in SA sport. Our competition poached a rugby player last year with a one year R10 mil contract....thats only 1 player.....and I know that the other brand can pay even more. Sport in SA is alive and kicking, scuz the pun. the fault lies squarly on the shoulders of the administrators who are money hungry and clueless. They promote players and managers purely for political gain so they can continue to milk the system to make payments on their luxury cars and coastal holiday homes. Just like most polititians. and thats an issue that effects GLOBAL politics, not just SA...at least other countries have systems in place to weed out the rot, here they just "suspend" them with full pay....
KellyAugust 2008
Chinnychinchin wrote:
The UK spent 22 million pounds on their cycling team alone and guess what?? they kicked ass. I bet we spent a whole lot less than 22 million RAND on our whole team, salaries, flights and accom. included...
Read an article a few days ago which may shed some light on what was spent:
http://www.int.iol.co.za/?art_id=vn2008 ... 181C838764
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Between Sydney in 2000 and Athens in 2004, R60 million was spent on preparing our Olympic athletes. During the same period Australia spent A$485m (R3.6bn). The medals table showed the difference, and Australia has a population of only 19 million and South Africa closer to 60 million.
Since 2004, Sascoc has received R50m a year from the National Lottery. That might sound like a lot, but when one acknowledges that there are some 70 sports affiliated to Sascoc, that budget is soon exhausted.
And well done to Khotso Mokoena, our one medalist, he earnt himself the entire R500k put up as an incentive by ABSA to our team to win medals. As the only medallist, there was no-one else to share the pot with. In hindsight, it may have been better to invest the R500k in the team ahead of the games but from reports I've read, poor administration has turned a lot of companies off corporate sponsorships.
http://www.int.iol.co.za/?art_id=nw2008 ... 133C678452
As for drugs ... I was a reluctant follower in the beginning --- I love any sport but Tour de France and all the drugs cheats over the years ... I was over it. But I started watching a few and got sucked in and did a bit of research and began to understand why so many records were breaking and it was not just down to to the athlete - we knew about the speedo swimsuit but the pool this year was 3 metres deep as opposed to the usual 2m deep and the claim is that a deeper pool reduces the wave drag which slows a swimmer down.
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/s ... ds/2427972
On the track ... well, the track was fast and we always knew some tracks were faster than others, there may be advancement in equipment but I'm not that much of a follower to know that. But the big focus was on Usain Bolt and his records and the one thing I noticed was that at 6'5" he doesn't have the usual sprint physique and from what I saw he wasn't the quickest out the blocks but once he got up to speed, those huge strides definitely had an advantage on the rest. "Innocent until proven guilty" as mentioned and I hope that is the case because I can't remember the last time I watched a 100m final as it has seemed a bit of a drugs farce ...
I had no clue who Usain Bolt was so I had a search during the Olympics and read this article ... thought it was quite interesting.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 045623.ece Chinnychinchin
August 2008
Nice one kelly. I heard straight from one of the olympic athletes they spent R30 mil on the athletes, who by the way are not professional in the technical term as most of them still have to keep full-time day jobs,while trying to prepare for the Games, unlike amost of the other olympic teams, so BIG RESPECT goes out to Khotso Mokoena......but R30 mil was spent on the entire SA team and the administrators saw fit to casually spend R15 mil on a VIP lounge in the same hotel that George Bush was staying in....pure BS if you ask me. That R500 000 insentive was for the entire SA team, so if a team or two won a medal well bad luck you get like 5 bucks....
Also heard that our nasty old enemy, racisim, is in the SA camp and is very much alive and well and "a-part" of the team. Yip the White athletes were told that they were "not alowed" to walk in the first 5 rows at the opening ceremony. Yip they read out names in the order they wanted and they were only the athletes of colour and told the whites well you lot can just fill in as you like at the back somewhere. Also heard that someone was refused a post game TV interview only because they were white.
Politics should not be a factor in sport, but unfortunately it is, and it's nasty.
Spy Dude
August 2008
I ask you are the racists now? I am getting this picture in my head Peterbee painted yesterday... Black Nazi's!
peterbee
August 2008
Responding to the previous+1 post, with the "I heard" components:
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Also heard that our nasty old enemy, racisim... etc
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Also heard that someone was refused a post game TV interview only because they were white... etc
- I don't doubt that you heard it (and for all I know it's true, though it seems a bit tenous), but if you don't link to an article confirming this, all you are doing is perpetuating a rumour that you have no proof of, which can be pretty destructive on a widely-read forum. These kinds of rumours are often started by a-holes as a sort of substitute hate speech and then passed on as the truth ... sort of like the rumour a few years ago that the blood oranges were actually injected with AIDS-infected blood to infect the black population! Anyway, just my thought on it.
On a lighter note: Spy, I swear I recently saw a movie that had black nazi supporters in it - how twisted is that?!
Spy Dude
August 2008
was it a documentary about mugabie... he looks a little like a black hitler
same tache! and f***ed up mentality and paranoia
Spy Dude
August 2008
on the flipside Pete: The SABC is a ANC run organisation that spews out whatever propoganda the ANC want us to hear.
I know its not an actual article but it sums up the state of this nation's leadership pretty well. Things like what is happening in SASCOC is mearly a mirror to what is happening in Government.
Now seriously, this is a booger forum, the only racist politics worth discussing are those nazi rascist basterd surfers that think they own the ocean and arnt willing to share with all other water users.
lyle
August 2008
yo spy, all i was intending is ous chill bru. ja, our gov is F$@%ing up SA bad. but you know what- our passed gov wasnt angels. and i was outspoken at school (when i was there) that i played no role in the past etc. SA was sanctioned yet we were better off then etc. but nomatter how much i argue the past happened and the present is just as bad but reverse and the scars and wounds are there and ripe.(i was kicked out a provincial cricket side cause i was white- quota). i bitch alot about the current state but i dont think it has helped at all. if anything it has made it worse. all the negativity.
i have a few black mates and have chatted to em to try understand how they feel and thats why i made the comment "if i were black i wouldnt vote white either". because they do worry about that. but at the same time the hate their current gov as much as you or me. because the gov supports corruption. none of my mates have ever benefitted from free housing or bursaries to study etc. so who really is getting all this?? none of them vote as they believe its a wast of time. the gov promises a few houses just before voting and allows criminals to vote and bang.
i dont know where im going with all this. maybe its, not everyone is evil and not everyone is good. we all human and need to find a way to live together. my opinion, the world needs discipline and spirituality. and it needs leaders like this too.
Chinnychinchin
August 2008
No "articals" or "news interviews"....I've been chatting to someone who actually played for SA in Beijing. Was told 10min ago that one of the "administrators", (I could name her but I won't, and this is a quote from someone who was part of the SA Olympic team and standing in Beijing when it was said to team SA.....) said to team SA that she hopes "only the Black athletes win medals". Now if this was white on black racisim there would be protests and riots and Zuma dancing like an a**hole, but cause it's the other way around nobody cares. If anyone had to they'd be labled a Nazi...I have heard actual first-hand details about the management or total lack thereof and it is frightning, most of the "admin" was just not done. One athlete was told via a note stuck on the cupboard that she was leaving on a flight first thing in the morning back to SA, she only got back after competeing that day at about 10pm....it was a total joke. The sponsored kit was all like knitted tracksuits, yip lame-a** winter tracksuits for 30 degree weather....thats clever, and the ladies were got like mens size 2xl. They each got one pair of sponsored takkies......Hmm what do you wear the rest of the time? Oh and frikkin' Crocks gave them 4 pairs each, but who actually wears them?....Most of those got left behind....ha ha ha
By the way none of this happend at the Athens olympics.
My only concern is if there is no Government support of any kind for our olympic team, what hope is there for the rest of the government departements?
Spy Dude
August 2008
I really dont want to carry on this debate, it goes no where.
Whats done is done, you cant change the past, you can only hope for a better future.
And in saying that
God help us all. Zim here we come!
peterbee
August 2008
August 2008
who cares, they spent millions, we suck and im going to the brassbell tonight and going to score mad waves over the next few days ..... im stoked !!
lyle
August 2008
Spy Dude wrote:
I really dont want to carry on this debate, it goes no where.
Whats done is done, you cant change the past, you can only hope for a better future.
so true. agree fully!
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And in saying that
God help us all. Zim here we come
i pray not.
DavidC
August 2008
If incompetence were an olympic event we would have won span medals. ps I dont think this country will ever get as bad as Zim. Zuma may be a crook but he will have to go a long way to top old Bob.
Elianderthehateful
September 2008
Dude we are further away from being a Zim than the Republicans are from endorsing gay weddings!!!
Our economic slump is just a symptom of a global fuck up thanks to the credit crisis started by stupid ass fuckin US banks buying up insufficiently secured mortgage products.
London recently had an electricity crisis equalling our Eskom problems.
We are only behind Australia and Sweden in emerging markets.
I can't wait till the third financial quarter next year when the interest rate starts falling again, Springboks win the Tri-Nations and Petrol steadies at R10/l (which in global terms is pretty fuckin cheap) and everyone that was negative starts endorsing the country again.
As a friend of mine says: "South African citizens are a fickle mistress".
And I must agree with Peter de Villiers when he said that people with no positive inputs for RSA must rather pack their bags, because they won't be the ones contributing to the solution, but still reap the benefits when things do get better.
Finally, Spy, I totally agree with the racism issue. The myth that blacks can't be racist is embodied every day in RSA.
But I am equally pissed off at all the hidden racism from whites that mask their racist contempt in general braaivuur kakpraat about the Springbok coach, about our economy, about pretty much anything that isn't perfect...until it is...then they just stand there with fuck all else to do but complain about something else, like how you now have to leave for work 10 minutes ealrier because of all the traffic, becaue the blacks can't manage our infrastructures efficiently...instead of saying: "Jeez, sure is amazing how the cities are growing and how many more people have jobs in the city..."
Soos fokofpolisiekar sê: "Jy kla oor die toestand van ons land, maar fokken doen iets daaromtrent!!!"
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