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SABA Circuit 2008

  • engelvlerkies
    June 2008
    Admin wrote:
    This post has been split from Vote on the New Wedge poster as the thread has spawned into a discussion on the 2008 SABA Circuit

    Being an avid engelkie boogieboarder, I should be exposing the badies and hooraaing for the good guys.
    This is why I have decided to join sixty40 in these dire times to see if i can help good prevail.

    Spydude, just a question; why are you more underground than a homesick mole?
    I am sure many of us spongers would like to see the Spy come out of his natural habitat and come boogie sometime?
    You are a very vocal chap on these forums it seems, not that that is a bad thing.

    What was your intention with this poll?

    The crux of the matter is that there seems to be almost no funding for this event... this is the final SABA event? Isn't this something that should be addressed? What happened to the Durban event? This is (was???) one of the largest events on the circuit and is (was) the only event in Durban. Durban having been the mecca of boogie SA a few years back.

    Truth be said, this Poster/Tshirt is a minor issue in the larger scheme of things...

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  • June 2008
    its due to our forefarthers in bodyboarding that are just dissapearing off the scene....

    biggest event? hmmm strange cause when i goto derdersteen pretty much every friday, theres probably about the same amount of heads riding the school bodyboard contests (between 3 schools only if im correct) or if not more then SABA's biggest event.

    Interestingly funny if you ask me. 3 Schools = more riders entering in worse conditions then SABA's biggest comp?

    Maybe we should just take a whole new course of action with contest, brain storm some ideas and what not and set the scene with a whole new type of event lineup steering away from the same old contest scene?

    i think there should be more big move contests, roaming venues, waiting periods, random comps over a year like previous one for biggest wave, sickest wave found, biggest boost, maddest DK move or barrel etc to push the riders in the sport? to many owes riding like a bunch of tits in SA holding back so much...how often do you go for a sesh and check owes really boosting big and pushing the limits? now days it more about socials and lame rolls...

    ps waves today ;) not telling though...
  • Len at ScienceLen at Science
    June 2008
    hi Guys

    i seen you ask about funds, yes we (Reef and Science) have put up the product prices, but FNB, Robberg Fisheries and even Pam Golding estates have gave money towards the wedge. this will not be a Micky Mouse event. if mother nature supply use with the waves, the rest are covered. Gareth White will be covering the entire event as media agent. i am sure there is more local (plett) bussinesses that will be involved like the pie shop exc. Wayne Craig is doing a great job organising it and Sampi offered his expertise as the local artist/designer. it will be great if all the gentlemen on this forum enter the comp. even if you do not get a prize, like me. i am sure that spy dude can bodyboard the daily sh*t out of me and there if only 15 years difference. so come guys get involved, enter or just come and support. what a great sport we have.
  • sampisampi
    June 2008
    Just to clarify Len. I did offer my services... but it didn't really pan out. All I did is "help" out with the T's.
  • Chinnychinchin
    June 2008
    Good one Len, I totally agree.

    I will put my money where my mouth is and enter a comp or two as well, to support our sport and by the sounds of things Len, last place is going to be hotly contested....ha ha ha. I won't be able to enter the Wedge this year, cause of work commitments, but I'm going to start planning for next year......

  • June 2008
    Unfortunately im not going to make it this year or do any coverage of the event as will be overseas...

    yup its good times down there and a really good to catch up with other riders etc....loved it last year, and hey even if you dont come anywhere you get to score wedge to yourself with 3 other people ;)

    not to forget the free t-shirt
  • dcmike
    June 2008
    Crickey! Some weird opinions here and it seems that the only thing some you folk consume is beer and burgers for fear of trying anything new. At least I have an excuse (I'm old) :mrgreen:

    On the subject of wings... Ever heard of the archangel Michael?.. He was has a seriously sharp sword and is the leader of heaven's armies to execute God's will... Still reckon a man with wings is gay?

    If everyone has so much time to dis the design how come nobody has sent alternatives?

    Lets have an egg war in Plett! Open-Minded vs Homophobes :twisted:

  • June 2008
    oh no mikes responded...everyone keep quiet and dissapear.... ill start a new thread shortly, stay posted!

    hahaha, nah just kidding. Egg fight? with the price of eggs? ummmm maybe lets have a stone fight cause they are free?

    Mike you paddling today or tomorrow? little birdie told me its going to be super fun today and should be pretty good somewhere else tomorrow :)
  • engelvlerkies
    June 2008
    Is there really a need to defend yourselves… we are 5 posts deep in defensive behavior, well done, your hands are clean.

    Mark Clark! One of 3 guys willing to risk life and limb to get the shot from the water. Is the creature known as the ‘Water Photographer’ an endangered species or is it the sub-species known as the ‘Bodyboarding Water Photographer’ that is extinct? Not sure and off the point...

    Eyelusion/Mark Clark makes a good point (and subsequently lost it as well – inter schools contest the size of a SABA event? What the hell Mark?). Has the current contest format lost its luster? Does the current format showcase bodyboarding as it is? Hanging out in heaven has its perks (as you can imagine), as the saying goes, we have our ears to metaphorical ground (cloud actually). Rumor has it that last years’ SA’s and Wedge Classic was rife with disgruntled competitors. The roll-to-the-beach / roll-off-a-close-out format the order of the day. Wedge is a wave where technical riding should be rewarded.

    Eg.
    Cave rock = 1. Tubes 2. Big moves.
    North Beach = 1. Long waves 2. Combination maneuvers mixed in with the occasional big move.
    Wedge = 1. Big moves 2.Technical Riding
    Etc.

    This irks me. Is a roll not the most basic of maneuvers?
    Doesn’t this defy the whole reason the 2 wave system was incorporated a few years back?

    SABA, where have you gone?
    “SABA is the governing body of bodyboarding in South Africa. We are a non-profit organization operating for the aim of developing and nurturing new bodyboarding talent, as well as providing rules and structure to contests from club level (???) to national level.”

    Am I correct in assuming that one of SABA’s reasons for being is to ensure the development of Contests?
    BACK TO THE POINT (with a flappity flap of my wings - the angel equivalent of crossed arms and a tap of the foot) Where has the Durban event gone?

    SIDENOTE:
    Len, well done on sponsoring another event. It is great that Reef and Science once again shows their support.
    One question though; SHOW US THE MONEY? Isn’t almost every guy riding the SABA tour a REEF / SCIENCE team rider anyway?
  • SilverMystic
    June 2008
    Don't come to an egg fight with a sword - you'll lose!
  • dcmike
    June 2008
    Anyone notice the headline to the poll?
    "I are spoking english for a very long distance"
    haha!

  • June 2008
    mike you have me confused... its friday, told you to stop doing that...haha

    engelvlerkies - who are you? yes still spend time in the water shooting...just been flat and bad lately. going to be doing some water more then likely tomorrow :)
  • dcmike
    June 2008
    Ooops - One minute I'm floating around in heaven dreaming of feathery clouds - erm, I mean barrels... and next second I'm in purgatory discussing SABA politics! Think I'm going to get a gps before I lose my way!

    Funny though how SA attitude filters through to everything. Like politicians being accused in the media: "...minister so and so could not be reached for comment..." Where's SABA in all of these discussions?

  • June 2008
    no comment
  • Len at ScienceLen at Science
    June 2008
    if you go on http://www.sciencebodyboards.co.za you can go and see who all the team riders are from science. at least we do give back to the sport and support the riders. real angles spread love......

  • June 2008
    real angles or you mean angels?

    i know ive been a bit out of the scene this winter as been super busy... but ive been hearing some bad rumours that Science / Reef have about 180 team riders?

    Is that possible or have i missed the jump on the band wagon? Dont know if its true or what not but if it is that mean 180 people getting boards more then likely at cost...which means cheaper then the shops which means hurting the economy of the sport and the idustry in many ways...

    as said dont know as this is just what people are talking about....maybe im wrong and hope so cause in my opinion it would def do a lot of harm then more good to the sport... have maybe 5 to 10 riders MOST i would say and look after them ;) my thoughts ... yup its friday and theres waves today!! wahooo

    epic
  • dcmike
    June 2008
    Oooo Len... don't start me up :twisted:
    Giving back is not only supporting contests (for which we are all very appreciative!) but using shots without please or thank-you...
  • Spy Dude
    June 2008
    englevlertjies, tell you what bru, click on my username and you will find my profile. I have nothing to hide. You come out from behind your username and i will bother responding to you, i will give you all the benefits of my deep insights into the sport of bodyboarding, but till then i have more moles to find deep underground... just keep swimming, just keep swimming.
  • Len at ScienceLen at Science
    June 2008
    viva spy dude,

    markie i have 31 rider across south africa.

    one is a international rider namely Mark McCarthy.

    our A team riders are vaughn harris, daniel worsley, marc jucker and adam morley.

    the rest are devided amongst the provinces and devisions. so how ever told you we have 180 team riders were smoking banana leaves. its amazing when a person works hard that everybody just tries to run there product down.

    mike, i am sorry for the misunderstanding, you know it were not onpurpose. thanks that we could talk. you are a gentleman.

    so if anyone did not know WE HAVE 31 RIDERS ON OUR TEAM, HELPING THEM TO REACH THEIR DREAMS. they are not all of then the saba champs, but have certain qualities that we at science like to be part of.
  • Spy Dude
    June 2008
    i still rate my tom robinson as the best board i have riden in years...
    all i need now is a new wetsuit!
  • Spy Dude
    June 2008
    oh and DC -- Word homie --- different people give back to the sport in different way.
    you will never catch me surfing a contest ever again. Len is just to good and blows me out of the water ever time

  • June 2008
    haha, thats funny - 31 just an odd number... cool none the less!

    ja wasnt to sure what was going on with that figure as that was just the rumour going around so thought it would be good to clean out these chinese whispers...

    wahoo almost time to hit the water... comon time!

  • June 2008
    thats funny as had the same thought as you there Spy, yup Len will knock us right out and take first and second place in the same heat !

    hmmm i might ride development next year, according to the rules and regulations i am allowed to enter development i found out the other day... now thats my league, maybe you can join me Spy?

    Best board you've ridden in years or the the only board that you've used since been in the water once a year now days ;)
  • Spy Dude
    June 2008
    hey i was in the water last... ummm... on a tuesday... like a month ago, at kbay.
    Busy getting fit for surfing again bru.
    as arnie once said

    I'll be baaaack!
  • KellyKelly
    June 2008
    Guys, would be nice to see three very valid points which have been raised covered.

    Point #1:
    engelvlerkies wrote:
    BACK TO THE POINT Where has the Durban event gone?

    In years past Durban has been the epicentre of bodyboarding in South Africa and we had a really hardcore Durban crew - the local Durban surf industry industry knew this and there was at least some investment from them. Nowadays, if anyone took a look out at the Durban beach front and compared it to back then, then I am sure that their impression would be that bodyboarding is not what it used to be. Granted many of the local crew who do charge are missioning to better bodyboarding spots up and down the coast when town is not on but we no longer have an event in Durban which impacts the sport in a big way. The Durban Beach Festival had over 700,000 people attending in 2006 according to a press release - that is a lot of eyeballs and if we want to develop the sport then the Durban Beach Festival is one of the prime opportunities to show the public what bodyboarding is. I've been told that this event is not happening because of funding but I think we should do all we can to encourage and help the organisors of the event to get this contest back on the calendar next year.

    I know that when it is small/average Durban is not a good bodyboarding wave but there are ways of overcoming the impact the event can have by using the beach presence to show off bodyboarding for what it "really is" through good branding that features bodyboarding in extreme surf and even run video footage on big screens. It will cost money but that should be our aim. Simply having an event in sloppy surf with a poor beach presence/branding is not good for the sport.

    Essentially, I think bodyboarding needs a good Fund Raiser in South Africa. The events have our services on offer - to help with design, branding & media coverage but we need to find a way to get away from unpaid favours because it is not sustainable.
    Mark Clark wrote:
    Maybe we should just take a whole new course of action with contest, brain storm some ideas and what not and set the scene with a whole new type of event lineup steering away from the same old contest scene?

    i think there should be more big move contests, roaming venues, waiting periods, random comps over a year like previous one for biggest wave, sickest wave found, biggest boost, maddest DK move or barrel etc to push the riders in the sport? to many owes riding like a bunch of tits in SA holding back so much...how often do you go for a sesh and check owes really boosting big and pushing the limits? now days it more about socials and lame rolls...

    The SABA circuit has its place without any doubt. While I think top-level bodyboarding is more about what you speak of, there has to be somewhere to ply your trade. We would not have guys like McCarthy, Spex or Fischer doing so well internationally if we ripped out the SABA circuit.

    What needs to happen is to get the Cave Rock event back - or another location of similar quality - and back & promote the hell out of it. When that starts succeeding and we can support a second then we can start introducing more.

    A healthy contest structure would look as follows:

    Local - Clubs/Schools
    Provincial - regional champs and trials.
    National - SABA Circuit & SA Champs
    National/International (Pro Only Events) - Cave Rock (or other location)

    Point #2:
    engelvlerkies wrote:
    Rumor has it that last years’ SA’s and Wedge Classic was rife with disgruntled competitors. The roll-to-the-beach / roll-off-a-close-out format the order of the day. Wedge is a wave where technical riding should be rewarded.

    Eg.
    Cave rock = 1. Tubes 2. Big moves.
    North Beach = 1. Long waves 2. Combination maneuvers mixed in with the occasional big move.
    Wedge = 1. Big moves 2.Technical Riding
    Etc.

    This irks me. Is a roll not the most basic of maneuvers?
    Doesn’t this defy the whole reason the 2 wave system was incorporated a few years back?

    SABA, where have you gone?
    “SABA is the governing body of bodyboarding in South Africa. We are a non-profit organization operating for the aim of developing and nurturing new bodyboarding talent, as well as providing rules and structure to contests from club level (???) to national level.”

    Am I correct in assuming that one of SABA’s reasons for being is to ensure the development of Contests?

    From what I heard this was a highly debated issue after last year's events at the Wedge and I have spoken with the contest organisor this week. Both he and I are on the same page and yes, the Wedge should be about "Big Moves and Technical riding" (I like the way that that was put there). As to who makes the final call - I am not yet sure but I will be following up.

    To me it is a simple matter of following a precedent set by events like Cave Rock, Pipeline etc where the focus is on big moves and tube riding but rather than tube riding, we should focus on technical. With waves offering similar opportunities you need some criteria to distinguish one ARS from another (as an example).

    If any riders would like to voice their opinion - support for or against then please do so. After all, a contest can't happen without contestants so you do have a voice and rather speak up and help bring about change than bar the event because of a poor experience last year.

    Point #3:
    Mark Clark wrote:
    its due to our forefarthers in bodyboarding that are just dissapearing off the scene....

    Very true. As always, if anyone is wanting to put their hand up and would like to help then you can contact any of the organisations or you are welcome to contact me and I will try refer onto the right people.

  • June 2008
    Cool nice one Kelly....

    Yup as per Point 3 - all the top riders i looked upto when i was a grom and dreaming of hanging out with one day and becoming friends with from the durban side.....well where have they gone to?

    i dont think i can recall anyone that i looked upto around and still in the scene...the generation above my era just dissapeared.

    Well me, im heading into that league of old folks very soon but try keep involved with my jargon, getting owes amped on the media side where possible and my two cents worth :)

    strangely enough i actually enjoy getting the upcoming generation of kids that are still in school etc amped and pushing them! they are the ones that will be taking the sport into the future so we need to equally respect them and push them to new limits... flip i was the most stoked kid back in the day when one of the pro's talked to me or complimented me on a move, wave etc... im sure you guys all remember that also? maybe chuck the old comment back to them also where ever you are?

    Ja for sure its good to see contests grow and def helping to producse some of the top riders no doubt!

    As Kelly says, maybe have more Pro events / invite only events etc to build up the hype?

    Maybe i know its not offical etc but what about similar to the kalk bay shoot out for random events. not specifically that one, but have it run in the same manner? everyone chucks in R50 on arrival and top 4 - 6 riders get cash prizes etc? nothing having to be laid out ahead etc, just put word out, if keen etc...im sure you guys know how it goes?!

    whose amped for a dias shorebreak contest with bring your own toys and get points for craziest whipe, board, outfit, etc etc.?
  • Chinnychinchin
    June 2008
    Surely it will be up to the judges? If they change their judging criteria the riders will have to step up? Like if you do a kuk el floppo off a foamie expect a score of like -15 just for attempting such a puny move....ha ha ha

    DAMN WHAT AM I SAYING I'M GIVING AWAY MY WHOLE CONTEST STRATEGY FOR NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yip next year I'm gonna enter every division possible just so I can get to ride the wedge with only 3 other guys out.....I'll crank out some technical hand-drags and destroy the competition.....LAST PLACE IS SO CLOSE I CAN ALMOST TASTE IT.....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
  • craigtrilivascraigtrilivas
    June 2008
    Wow quite the thread we have here boys :mrgreen:
    But thats a good thing cos everything is gettin layed out on the table for all to see and appraise.
    The point of all the older guys dissapearing is so right too man.

    Jeez when I lived in Durbz i really used to look up to all of the guys.
    The Cockwells,Taylor, Billy, Andre (even tho i was older than him!),Phil and Nelson etc....
    They really used to push us in our riding and just being in the water with them was a inspiration :!:
    That was the OG crew for real 8)
    Remember Grant Barnard, thomas, kingy and all the younger crew aswell littering the beachfront every weekend LOL!!!

    When I moved to Cape Town I grew apart from the sport cos I didnt see anyone who was close to that level except maybe Rowan De Villiers, Lyle Coburn (they used inspired me alot),Bodman and Van whenever i saw them which was hardly ever.
    So when the classic was on U'd see me there to check the okes out and meet up with old mates that were competing.

    As for contests.....I suck bigtime, never really liked them, always been a soul rider to the max :wink:
    But now after being out for ages Im in the comp scene, not so much as to compete or to prove how good I am to anyone, but more so to get to know the peeps that r in the scene right now, to make new friends and to promote Al's boards, not cos im paid to do it or anything ( cos Im not i swear ) but because I think they r the business and that I think he deserves it.
    Thats my small way of giving back to bodyboarding.

    So u say there r waves today huh?
    Im gonna have to hit Glen or thereabouts cos its the closest promixity to my current position.
    Over and out.
  • KellyKelly
    June 2008
    Mark Clark wrote:
    Maybe i know its not offical etc but what about similar to the kalk bay shoot out for random events. not specifically that one, but have it run in the same manner? everyone chucks in R50 on arrival and top 4 - 6 riders get cash prizes etc? nothing having to be laid out ahead etc, just put word out, if keen etc...im sure you guys know how it goes?!

    whose amped for a dias shorebreak contest with bring your own toys and get points for craziest whipe, board, outfit, etc etc.?

    Bru - do it! You guys should really have a club running down in Cape Town. Start one up - or find guys who are keen and get a few of these events happening. As Craig reckons - he does it for the social side. Clubs are about the social scene and getting the groms involved. You could do one-off events but once there is a club started then there is an obligation to keep it running. I know there is the Schools League but not all groms will qualify and a club will help groms to learn from the more experienced guys.
  • dsc
    June 2008
    Kelly and Mark you are onto something there. There is plenty of underground happening in CT at the moment and there is a great feel to things at the moment, too. To coin a phrase “boogie is back”. It has definitely been around, but judging by the last 6 months on this website alone, it is back for sure.

    I would dig to dedicate more time and effort to the sport but unfortunately just do not have the time. I aim to do what I can through my photography and whatever I can create from that; all the while trying to ping a creative flip to it – stories, missions, old mates from SA bodyboarding past – a couple weeks ago a mate got back in the water for the first time in a few years and I hope to see his contribution to the sport come through over the next few years; and generally whatever else pops up that seems to fit within our community..

    We have some dedicated sponsors (Len to name one – Lizzard too) and hopefully we can showcase our sport to the rest of the country… in fact, that should read: “hopefully the rest of the country can see what we are show casing”. Through the mag I can only hope that prospective sponsors see that there is viability in our sport and that they should be getting involved.

    If I look at the people who are currently running the mag and this site – every single one of them do it for the love of our sport – not the money. Yes, money would be kiff, but Rome was not built in day. Lame. But, it adds the “punch” to my point.

    Yes, us photogs are competing in a way to get our stuff in the mag and shoot the best days etc, but by sticking together, discussing ways to improve, lending equipment (thanks Pete and Mark and Mr Lancellas) – we can progress forward. The quality on this site speaks for itself. Spy and DC – legends. Not much else can describe what you two have dedicated to the sport in this country over the years. St John – bru – you are seriously talented there mah bru.

    Soon, the rest of the bodyboarding world will start taking serious note of us and that will give us the proper exposure we need. To quote something Ian Kru said to me the other “baby steps..” – exactly what we need. The forums over the last few weeks have raised some very valid points and it really does seem more now than ever that something is being done. All in the name of moving forward. Rectify at the bottom to make the top more stable.

    We don’t realise how important the groms are going forward. Sometimes it’s just not “cool” to talk about the groms – but lurking there is some serious talent – Dave Lil to name one. Nurture these guys from a young age and I can promise you they may actually be able to make a career from this sport. They need just as much coverage and stoke as us older dudes. The stoke that they will get from it will gravitate others to our sport – likewise the chicks. More and more chicks are picking up boards and charging.

    Regard a club – let’s get a forum together. Let it run for a month or so, add your name and maybe by then someone would step up to the plate and get a system together.

    Later
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